Scientology Cited in Killings

[naut]

Even though it's horrible, all I can say is I told you so and that's what you get for denying help because of your ridiculous beliefs.

Link.

[Bijo]

Poor young woman.

[Warmaster Horus]

Ah, well. Tragic accidents because of beliefs...
Scientology is just another cult, this proves it.

[Lemur]

"But a spokeswoman for Scientology's Australian arm, Vicki Dunstan, said she doubted the family belonged to the church. It had no knowledge of them and had never had contact with them."

Classy. Nothing like distancing yourself from a problem you created. I'm sure if they had been practicing Scientology "correctly," this would not have happened, right?

[drone]

Hail Xenu!

[Rodion Romanovich]

I'm sure if they had been practicing Scientology "correctly," this would not have happened, right?

Maybe she did this because she didn't eat enough placentas?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm wanting more killing

Woah. You'd think her parents might have relented a bit earlier if she was coming out with stuff like this.

Even if the Scientologists are telling the truth about not being affiliated with these people-which I doubt-they do hate psychiatry, right? So what these people were doing was in line with their beliefs.

[Papewaio]

Devils Advocates Mode

Did she kill anyone while she wasn't taking anti-psychotic drugs? No.
Did she kill anyone after taking anti-psychotic drug? Yes.

So the scientologists are going to use this as vindication that their system works.

Devils Advocates Mode off

Ignoring that it takes weeks for the drugs to stabilise, and should be done with guidance from a medical practitioner.

[doc_bean]

Devils Advocates Mode

Did she kill anyone while she wasn't taking anti-psychotic drugs? No.
Did she kill anyone after taking anti-psychotic drug? Yes.

So the scientologists are going to use this as vindication that their system works.

Devils Advocates Mode off

Actually, that was my first thought when I read the article. Scientology can even use this to prove their point.

[naut]

Scientology can even use this to prove their point.

But even if she did kill after she had begun taking the drugs, she would never have decayed so fast or so greatly if she had had the proper help and care. So IMHO Scientologists can go cram it.

[Idaho]

Scientology cult scientology evil cult.

Sorry - just doing my little bit to keep the Google cult ranking up for the business execs of xenu.

[naut]

Fair enough Idaho, because that's exactly what it is. An evil money stealing cult.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Meh, an evil cult is what the large religion calls the small religion.

[Husar]

Meh, an evil cult is what the large religion calls the small religion.

And the other way around.

But even our atheist government called Scientology an evil cult, does that make atheism a large religion?

[Louis VI the Fat]

But even our atheist government called Scientology an evil cult, does that make atheism a large religion?

No, it means that secular governments are most of the time too scared to stand up to the excesses of large organised religions also.

[Duke John]

That is the reward of being the first.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm with Louis on this. It amuses me when people laugh at all of the "Hail Xenu!" stuff, but then will brook no criticism of their own, mainstream religion.

[Husar]

No, it means that secular governments are most of the time too scared to stand up to the excesses of large organised religions also.

Does that mean child molesting catholic priests are not being imprisoned or islamic terror cells are left alone? Or what are the excesses of modern mainstream religions?
Do you mean things like the Pope saying condoms are bad? I wouldn't say that's comparable to this case because there are enough other ways to not get STDs. As a "virgin" I know what I'm talking about.

Doesn't mean I'm a fan of the Pope or catholicism, I just think they're treating their members in somewhat more humane ways.

[Del Arroyo]

As much as I loathe scientology, I don't think this incident can be used to condemn them. This is a very rare example of human behavior. It is simply not possible to say, nor reasonable to assume, that psychiatric care would have prevented this degradation. Outside of the fact that if she had been locked up, she would not have been able to hurt anybody. Psychiatric facilities are prisons first and not pleasant places for the jailed or the jailer.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Doesn't mean I'm a fan of the Pope or catholicism,

Hah! Everything about you screams Catholicism. I even recognised you in this video!

[Husar]

Hah! Everything about you screams Catholicism. I even recognised you in this video!

That must've been my heretic twin. Despite living close to Cologne, I have never been there on carnival.

I'm also known as a lutheran in this website's chat.

Doesn't mean I'm a fan of Martin Luther though...

[TB666]

As much as I loathe scientology, I don't think this incident can be used to condemn them.

Well don't worry, this isn't the first time it has happened and won't be the last.

Warning: Contains graphic images that is not worksafe, good for children or for people with weak stomachs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

[naut]

I'm with Louis on this. It amuses me when people laugh at all of the "Hail Xenu!" stuff, but then will brook no criticism of their own, mainstream religion.

Dude there's a big step between believing curing sickness and aliens loaded into D60s or whatever and dropped into volcanoes. But your right in that it is so incredibly hypocritical of people if they can't take criticism of their beliefs. So I don't mind if you criticise what I believe, because in some cases it deserves criticism.

[Idaho]

I'm with Louis on this. It amuses me when people laugh at all of the "Hail Xenu!" stuff, but then will brook no criticism of their own, mainstream religion.

It is not the strange beliefs of the cult of Scientology that make it dangerous, but the practicies of the organisation. Threats, intimidation, extotion and control of information about what they do and difficulty of leaving.

[Del Arroyo]

It is not the strange beliefs of the cult of Scientology that make it dangerous, but the practicies of the organisation. Threats, intimidation, extotion and control of information about what they do and difficulty of leaving.

I think that this is it. The one instance which is the topic of this thread and the one additional instance cited in the mini-"documentary" linked by TB of "Scientology-induced" psychotic killing rage are isolated and poorly understood.

Scientology is still of course evil, and there are plenty of other reasons to take action against it.

[Devastatin Dave]

It is not the strange beliefs of the cult of Scientology that make it dangerous, but the practicies of the organisation. Threats, intimidation, extotion and control of information about what they do and difficulty of leaving.

Its like that for all religions. The fear of the unknown of death has drawn humans to make up all these fairy tales. When people realise that their existence means nothing, that your moment in time is just that, then true liberation from the horrors of this world (and of death) is the real gift. I urge everyone to turn their back on their particular dogma and prepare for their end by ignoring it because it doesn't make a difference.

Scientology is just a the same jibberish that 2000 years from now people will be wearing drinking wine and calling it the blood of Hubbard. Yawn....

[Lemur]

I urge everyone to turn their back on their particular dogma and prepare for their end by ignoring it because it doesn't make a difference.

Why do you hate Jesus?

[Devastatin Dave]

Why do you hate Jesus?

Because he hates you.

[Whacker]

Because he hates you.

Oh come on Dave, stop being so hateful. I pay him well to mow my yard, he should love me for that.

Badda bing badda bang, try the potato salad folks.

[AntiochusIII]

Because he hates you.

Jesus loves you more than you will know.

On topic: Back to the grounds of where religious freedom stops and concern for life begins. Clearly this case is far off the left field on the issue. The poor woman.

The article's writing does seem a bit sensationalized, though.