What should be fixed first above alll others?

[Budwise]

Which is the #1 improvement that you are looking for in a future patch/expansion/new TW game? I hear so many and I hope CA pays Attention. I am now going to make a different pool asking which IS NOT A CONCERN FOR YOU.

[Budwise]

Oh, I also voted for the Diplomacy because thats the heart of the game. The battles are a great addition and the reason why I picked TW over other Civ like games but sometimes, I feel I would have more fun if the Diplomacy was more "Well to do" in the head.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

Better campaign AI.

[phonicsmonkey]

agreed, I think better campaign AI would have a flow-on effect to improve some of the other problems like diplomacy (better sense of strategic position and goals would make for more consistent negotiation from AI-controlled factions) and battle AI (because it's hard to judge at the moment when the AI so often fields desperately inferior stacks)

[FactionHeir]

I don't think such a poll is necessary as the buglist already categorizes by priority as agreed upon by TWC and ORG communities.
Also, there are several more that could be included in such a poll, which currently is very subjective in what the OP feels is more important (as seen by putting almost everything else as minor for instance)

[Zoring]

Definitly AI, but having more variety between each unit, so it's not just generic chainmail men in every nation with the only difference being colours

[Per Ole]

I want the bugs fixed. That norse axemen doesn't whoop DFK's asses isn't right. I mean, they have HUGE attack *and* AP

[Deutschland Uber Alles]

Just need better campaign AI and more troops..

[Budwise]

I don't think such a poll is necessary as the buglist already categorizes by priority as agreed upon by TWC and ORG communities.
Also, there are several more that could be included in such a poll, which currently is very subjective in what the OP feels is more important (as seen by putting almost everything else as minor for instance)

I couldn't disagree more. I haven't seen a poll yet that I could respond too so I thought others haven't seen one yet either. Second, every TW game gets prettier but the AI stays the same or gets more retarded in some way, I feel if more time was being developed fixing various glitches and less time on eyecandy, people would be happier. And lastly, CA will probably use this in some way because its exactly in the right format and directly to the point in the future. So yes, I feel it was needed enough to learn how to make a poll in the first place to post.

[Shaitan]

I voted for the better campaign AI but this should be one with the diplomacy. One won't work without the other.

This would be greatly enhance the strategic challenge of the game (which I would appreciate very much).

Shaitan

[sapi]

I'll leave the poll options as is, but it should be noted that they are leading.

2-handed + shield bugs minor?

Agree campaign AI should be priority, though.

[icek]

campaign ai, let it be agresive like in 1.1 but let it have some faction targets like in rtw bi.

[Galapagos]

Campaign AI

[Ramses II CP]

Campaign AI. It makes me sick to sack an AI capital when they have multiple full stacks wandering around nearby, doing nothing.

[Odin]

I voted for the better campaign AI but this should be one with the diplomacy. One won't work without the other.

Shaitan

I agree, diplomacy should be tied into the capaign AI, Its far to easy to get the AI to give castles and cities in deals. It shouldnt make deals impossible, but unless you have dealt the AI a serious blow militarily, it shouldnt be simple to buy thier lands.

Also, the reputation thing I never fully understood, but it should be faction specific. I might be a wonderful neibhor to the HRE As poland but a right pain the butt for the hungarians, so why should they view me the same?

[PseRamesses]

Voted for an improved battle-AI although a sane campmap-AI is second on my list.
The whole reason I play this game, and has since Shogun was released, is the battles. In S I thought WoW! this is great, the AI is acting almost human and is making pretty sane strategical decisions on the battlefield. Through MTW, RTW and M2 this has deterioated to a fragment of its former glory, sad to say.
In S it was easier: take it all! Maybee that´s why its so good and easy. The AI is more in sync with a conquer all mentality. In M2 nowdays there is so many ways I can play this game and still win but the AI is just making worse decisions than ever:
Why send one ship to attack my empire and not have the troops or even the intentions to follow up with some attempt of an invasion or landwarfare?
Why send priest/ imams to foreign lands when your own provinces is howering between 30-70%?
Why send spies abroad when his own cities are littered with foreign spies that incites one rebellion after another?
Why declare war on an empire that outnumbers you, by any criteria, by 10:1?
Why do the AI expand in a stright line rather spiraling outwards from its centre?
Why do the AI cross a bridge when I´m attacking them?
Why does he move down from a hilltop just because I cirled around his flanks?
etc etc etc

PS. I´m actually afraid what CA is going to come up with for the next title.

[Odin]

Why send one ship to attack my empire and not have the troops or even the intentions to follow up with some attempt of an invasion or landwarfare?

Hahahaha, the bloody portugese, it never fails as sicily, england, scotland basically any faction with a costal province east of budapest and the Portugese seem to love to DOW, blockade my port.

Then come to find out there armies are busy trapsing around Rennes wondering if they should attack it, or march to me.



Nice post mate.

[Doug-Thompson]

Campaign AI. I'm tired of clobbering a stack of Mongols outside Antioch every turn on the same battlefield.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Campaign AI!

By now, my destruction of the AI in campaign mode is notorious. I agree that the game needs to have the units retooled so that they function as expected in battle, but of even greater concern is the fact that the campaign AI is predictable, stupid, illogical, and sooooooooooo easy to destroy.

Give pizza guy something more meaty to chew on, and build a better campaign AI. Different maps and different units may add to the challenge, but if the campaign AI is still stupid, it won't matter.

Great game though. Any criticism is out of love.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

I voted for a better Campaign AI. Here are two examples of my Milan campaign.
I had wiped Venice out of Italy and out of the Balkans. All they had left Iraklion and Rhodes. We made peace and next I captured Egypt. At that time the Venetians attacked me at Alexandria. They were so desperate to capture Alexandria that they left Iraklion undefended. All I had to do was to send a small task force and capture Iraklion. I left a small garrison and attacked Rhodes that was defended by the faction leader, while the Venetian fleet with two stacks was still at sea heading to wards Iraklion. Next turn Venice was out of the game.
A couple of turns later I captured Cordoba from the Moors. Next I attacked Lisbon (held by the Moors). I left Cordoba defended by a couple of militia units because I thought that the Spanish wouldn't risk their last remaining stack to attack me. Nobody could be that stupid especially as we were at peace at that moment. How wrong was I. The Spanish send a very strong stack to capture Cordoba (DFKs, FKs, Pavise crossbows). After a heroic defense of my outnumbered militia units they captured the city. The attack had severely weakened the Spanish so I could recapture Cordoba the next turn. Two turns later Toledo (weakly defended) was in Milan's hands. All that was left of Spain ware Leon and Zaragossa and hardly defended.

The AI which programmed to attack the human player at all costs is actually weakening the AI itself, making the game easier.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gotta love the dismounted English chefs.

[Fußball]

Campaign AI most definitely. The minor bugs was a good second but I can live with those were the AI improved. AI should 'prioritize' certain map points, especially cities/castles. I am left very much so lacking when I go to siege a settlement and the AI factions leave one family member + bodyguard or one unit of something utterly useless. As if sieges are easy enough with all the options you have as the attacker including (and do not get my started on) spies opening the gates.

Whilst the one unit is sitting in a very important settlement you have the rest of the entire faction's damned armies marauding around occasionally attacking something. But most of the time doing nothing important, simply wandering about aimlessly. If the AI at least had to prioritize settlements and maintain a certain amount of units to garrison that would be an efficient stopgap measure.

Tschüß!
Erich

[Budwise]

A few notes to the poll that I should have added.

Dear Moderator, I didn't really mean that the two handed or the shield bug were minor. They are quite huge but I was trying to refer to all the other minor bugs that interfear with the games playability. Off hand, I can't remember that many but there were quite a few that needed to be fixed for a long time, too many to list from memory.

Also, I split up Diplomacy and Campaign AI on purpose because I feel that they should be seperate. With Diplomacy, I meant JUST THAT, nothing to do with the AI building this instead of that or how they build endless stacks of weaker, inferior troops, or even how they fail to take over an entire faction but instead take a province and just stay at war doing nothing. I understand that the two topics are linked and I should have specified what I meant as the difference better to avoid confusion in a possible vote.

Diplomacy wasn't supposed to include the possible war starts due to a moronic blockkade. It was supposed to refer to relations, bribing, keeping alliances, breaking them, helping an ally in need, and being more of a friend for the long run instead of just quick gains.

Now I will put this in bold so CA skimming through will read it.
NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS - YOUR GRAPHICS ARE FINE - PLEASE SPEND FUTURE DEVELOPING TIME MAKING A GREAT GAME EVEN BETTER. WE DO NOT, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE IN THIS MESSAGEBOARD AS OF 4:05PM ON MONDAY THE 16th OF MAY CARE AT ALL ABOUT A GRAPHICAL UPDATE. IN FACT, SOME OF US ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE EXTRA HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN A HIGHER GFX VERSION!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Woah! Hello!

LOL

I'm not sure the shouting was necessary. I hope the moderator doesnt lock the thread because of this.




edit: FuBball- Typing in all caps is widely considered to be shouting, especially when in bold face, with exclamation points, and when using the word "damn". I think I am on very firm ground here. I don't think there's actually any other way to interpret it.

[Fußball]

Just pointing out in bold and caps, do not think he meant yelling per se. Anyway, back to topic.

Tschüß!
Erich

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Well I voted bugs, not b/c I don't think the AI needs work but how can one expect campaign AI, battle AI & diplomacy to function without first addressing the bugs in the very code we want improved?

PseRamesses actually made a very valid point regarding the campaign and diplomacy AI and a few of them I would consider bugs.

Why do the AI cross a bridge when I´m attacking them?
Why does he move down from a hilltop just because I cirled around his flanks?

and why does the AI after rallying their routing siege units decide to re-man their rams and carry them off to god knows where even if the gates are already down! Seen this 6 times.

I notice a bug almost every turn. The majority are minor, nevertheless they are in plague proportions and its so very stupefying to behold. Don't they even know how to use a spellcheck! lol

Post 1.2 I have managed to fix over 120 to my own files but I imagine there are hundreds (maybe more) that go unnoticed or are unmoddable.

So, a working core game to build on is my vote.

[Kadagar_AV]

I think CA deserves some shouting, nothing vulgar of course, but some shouting. Why? Because their game is broken and we haven't even seen any sign that they understand this.

I dont see it written anywhere in the threads about kingdoms that they will fix the real problems (on a sidenote, I dislike paying for something they should have patched/had ready from start with THIS game).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meh.

I politely disagree with you folks. I don't think it is necessary to shout.
You can accomplish more with a polite word than you can with an insulting one. Shouting can rub someone the wrong way who might have otherwise been open to listening to your point of view. I don't know of a single case in my entire life where if someone shouted at me it made me more open to their point of view.

I'd even go as far as to say that I'd ignore even a reasonable request made of me if it was delivered in a shouting tone. Maybe that's just me, but in my experience it is not. Almost everyone reacts this way.

I even agree with you guys about the issues you are discussing. But if I were CA and I read such shouting I'd deliberately ignore it. That's human nature.

I honestly don't mean to be so picky or disagreeable, but I have to differ with you guys on this one, respectfully. Diplomacy is always the best first step towards achieving your goals.

If you're looking for cooperation from someone, it rarely hurts your position to ask for something before you demand it.

[Budwise]

To clear up my "shouting"

It wasn't really to shout but more to make sure that if they scanned the page looking for a quick bit of information that they would see and read that. Yes, I believe its to the point that a little shouting would come in handy because I read more about future graphics than I do for other fixes which clearly isn't necessary from the results of my two polls. I just want to love my favorite game more and I feel that time investing in GFX features instead of where its really needed will hinder and not help. Sorry if I upset anyone.

[sapi]

NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS - YOUR GRAPHICS ARE FINE - PLEASE SPEND FUTURE DEVELOPING TIME MAKING A GREAT GAME EVEN BETTER. WE DO NOT, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE IN THIS MESSAGEBOARD AS OF 4:05PM ON MONDAY THE 16th OF MAY CARE AT ALL ABOUT A GRAPHICAL UPDATE. IN FACT, SOME OF US ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE EXTRA HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN A HIGHER GFX VERSION!!!

Not strictly true; but also not your fault

It would be very interesting to see the results of a poll not restricted by the vB board features (ie one in which members could rank their wants).

It's not so much that we don't care about graphics, but that there are other priorities.

I doubt the special effects are everyone's lowest priority (the general public, that is)...