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    Default Re: Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

    Clearly, as an outsider, my view counts for little, but as I understand the Constitution, impeachment is a responsibility of Congress rather than the judiciary.

    This surely means it is an entirely political power and rather than being tied to some very clear legal rules, impeaching a president - as an act that effectively subverts the will of the people - can only be done by the body that similarly is elected by the people. The decision to do so is therefore a political decision based on the political realities of the day.

    As presidents have a pretty monarchial power anyway, the checks and balances of Congress are essential to curbing excesses in that power. If Congress abdicates that responsibility because of party politics or loyalties, I don't think there is much that can be done.

    Wiser scholars may well have other precedents, but to this observer, the damage was done by the foolish and entirely partisan use of impeachment proceedings against President Clinton. The exercise devalued the awesome power that impeachment represents (ie the subversion by politicians of the will of the people). That damage means that politicians across the board are now wary of such proceedings even if more justified.

    More importantly, it seems to me that Congress has long thrown away its role to be the check to presidential excess within a responsible partnership of power, in favour of the trough and the gravy train.

    Rather than waste time impeaching President Bush (who for all that I disagree with his policies, strikes me as a man that has taken decisions based on his real belief that he is doing the right thing, and it's difficult to blame a chap for that) the effort would be better spent impeaching every Congress until they get the message to do their job.

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    Default Re: Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

    I think I actually prefer them hamstrung, like they are now, to having someone else in the seat. And don't forget, Pelosi is 3rd in line. I have no problem with Congress nipping away at Bush's cronies for the next year and a half, pretty much getting nothing done, with a fresh start in Jan 2009.

    Although after they leave office, I'm all for a special investigation team to go through the records and bust as many of the administration as they can get. Not much is going to happen now with the "executive privilege", "4th branch" crap being spewed now. And while they are at it, take out some of Congress for aiding and abetting the abuses.
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    I think either Don or Dave said it best.
    We are going to ride this lame duck out, then elect a new President.

    Even with all these 'new powers' granted to the Executive Branch, anyone following this President will try to shy away from anything to 'Bush'. If they even think about touching any more power, than the other party will immediately call them out, label it 'imperialistic' and the President will either take the fury, or step back.

    I don't think that Impeachment can go through, for the simple reason that the rules that govern the proceedings require
    1. High misdemeanors
    2. Treason
    3. Bribery

    While #3 is lucrative :) the Bush presidency fails to fulfill those requirements and cannot be impeached.
    If the Congress wants to define 'High Misdemeanors', good luck.
    Otherwise, Bush will sit in office till the day he leaves.
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    Who's Chenney?
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    Default Re: Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
    Who's Chenney?
    Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.
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    Default Re: Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi
    Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.
    Ever play Unreal Tournament or Counter-strike? Every time I hear about that I can't help but think of this sound clip. Bonus link to the rest of the UT sounds.

    Also itchy, your sig is entirely appropriate for this conversation.

    Honestly, I'm still pissed at all the Dems that we voted in just for the sake of change and sending a message, and the huge striding leaps they've made moving forward to fixing a lot of the problems with our government. /dripping sarcasm


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    Default Re: Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi
    Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.
    I still don't recall a Vice President named Dick Chenney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Wiser scholars may well have other precedents, but to this observer, the damage was done by the foolish and entirely partisan use of impeachment proceedings against President Clinton. The exercise devalued the awesome power that impeachment represents (ie the subversion by politicians of the will of the people). That damage means that politicians across the board are now wary of such proceedings even if more justified.

    Thats nothing compared to the impeachment of Johnson.

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