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[geala]

In response to the earlier question the Garamantines are a regional and thus available to anyone who conquers Garama. Also look out because more African locals are coming to an EB near you.

Thank you, that is very good news. Could you already say something about the locals: from the Sahara or black Africa? Nubian archers or javelinmen for instance would be great, such light troops are of good use even in the late game.

[Anastasios Helios]

Yeah...I was estatic when I began playing EB, my first campaign was Sabean. I was little disappointed when I saw the lack of "Black African" troops. The Nubian and Ethiopian spearmen look exactly alike except for their names. In fact, the look almost like the Nubian spearmen from RTW except for the lack of a phalanx. The Aethiopikon Agema is amazing, but the region needs something along the lines of Nubian archers/skirmishers.

Also...I am lost to why you can recruit the "Galatikoi" soldiers in Aegyptos...did they really settle so far south?

[abou]

Yes, and in relatively large quantities.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I thought they only settled the Delta.

[abou]

I thought they only settled the Delta.

Oh, well I wasn't sure if he meant south as in Egypt or south as in southern/upper Egypt.

[paullus]

no, there were galatians up and down the nile, though primarily at/near alexandreia, memphis, and in the fayum in the latter 3rd c, and then later in the thebaid as well. they were also present on kypros, and some were settled in "syria," which could refer either to galatians formerly in seleukid service at antioch, or galatians in settlements in phoinikia and iudaia. however, we will be looking for ways to limit their numbers in eb2

[Anastasios Helios]

Tonight, I sent a mighty army of Elite Africans and Sacred Band Horses from Carthage to retake Lepki which had recently fallen to the children of Ptolemios. In an nearby oasis the Aegyptioi ambush the children of Dido and in the dense palm forest, the Carthaginians are cut to pieces by those bloody Kelt mercenaries. Again, Carthage fails to reestablish her supremacy in Libya...

....If I don't end this campaign by sacking Galatia

[dedalonur9]

hello to all .............

I wanted to ask the permission in order to use the file.cas of

Thureopherontes Toxotai

I want to create with it an unit of Nuragic warrior.

therefore a armed model serves me is of bow that of sword

naturally I will have to completely modify the skin of thureopherontes.

I can make it?

[Havok.]

hello to all .............

I wanted to ask the permission in order to use the file.cas of

Thureopherontes Toxotai

I want to create with it an unit of Nuragic warrior.

therefore a armed model serves me is of bow that of sword

naturally I will have to completely modify the skin of thureopherontes.

I can make it?

Are you making a mod for RTW?

[dedalonur9]

no .....I want to only recreate the nuragic warrior…

if then I will succeed to do good them and they will appeal to you I would be also content you inserted if them in E.b.

but not creed because it is the firstime that I modify the skin

[Havok.]

no .....I want to only recreate the nuragic warrior…

if then I will succeed to do good them and they will appeal to you I would be also content you inserted if them in E.b.

but not creed because it is the firstime that I modify the skin

I guess there's no problem at all, but since i'm not a member of the EB team, i suggest you wait a bit more, till one of them say if you can or cannot.

[dedalonur9]

and as I make to ask it to it?

I create a new one 3d or I attend that they answer to me here?

I hope not to have to wait for much time.

[Havok.]

and as I make to ask it to it?

I create a new one 3d or I attend that they answer to me here?

I hope not to have to wait for much time.

Since i wont take my chances saying 'Yes, you can' just wait till one of them give you the green light

[dedalonur9]

certainly I understand to you, Havok….

I wanted to only know if it was the possibility that they saw our argument, or if it must create a 3d in a specific section of the forum,

thanks

[Havok.]

certainly I understand to you, Havok….

I wanted to only know if it was the possibility that they saw our argument, or if it must create a 3d in a specific section of the forum,

thanks

EB Unofficial Modding Projects would be more appropriate to such question, though i think in here i think you'll get your answer faster(Creating a new thread would be even quicker) also, pms are good too.

[dedalonur9]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

[Havok.]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

Ja.

[Zarax]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

I just hope you will make the unit a bit lighter, unless you want to represent the nuragic nobles, in that case you would need to move the unit up in the local MIC.

[dedalonur9]

what is the local mic? .............I presume THE Sardinian army

I want to create the heavy infantry and the cavalry.....
these last ones could be recruited from the punic.........historically they formed an alliance against the Roman (Ampsicora.... Josto......for example...)

f I succeed to us I improve the shardanam of E.b in order to render them more similar to the statues…

[Zarax]

Local MIC = native barracks = troops that are recruited among the original population of the area.
So yes, the Nuragic army...
In any case I wouldn't mind seeing some improvements, pride aside they were still considered quite tougher than in EB description even after the punic wars: "Gaudentes et exsultantes, si taliter se in ferinas species transformaverint. Ut homis non esse videantur."

It's just too bad that every academic that studied the nuragic civilization that I queried about taking a look at EB always refused to be even hinted in being involved in something close to a computer game, it would have been so much easier for everybody...

EDIT: BTW, Cavalry? I really don't see the basis for a native cavalry force, at least not in numbers.
Sardinian geography is not exactly the best for warhorses and back then there still was only the native breed (the native ponies were and still are rugged marchers but no chargers or real runners).
On that side you might want to have some punic civic cavalry but that's pretty much it.

[dedalonur9]

Zarax thanks for the interest that always demonstrates regarding the Nuragic civilization....

therefore you have asked for the Sardinian scholars information on this argument? who?

I'm regret. a lot for their refusal. but some of they consider their studies on that past.... sacred
others are in bad faith, and refuse also the mere hypothesis, that is hardly now making road on the Shardana… while in others you leave of the world is discussed already for a long time.

therefore I do not find their behavior strange: it is pettiness ....

[dedalonur9]

EDIT: BTW, Cavalry? I really don't see the basis for a native cavalry force, at least not in numbers.
Sardinian geography is not exactly the best for warhorses and back then there still was only the native breed (the native ponies were and still are rugged marchers but no chargers or real runners).
On that side you might want to have some punic civic cavalry but that's pretty much it.

you refer to the mini-horses of Giara.....
but those are of were them living, in Sardinia c' they were also of the little ones elephants, not establish on this..... for your conclusions....

we do not know when the horse was imported in Sardinia.

But the Sardinians for the horses have true cult. if a day you will come in Sardinia, you will see that in many countries the stables rise as an example near the houses…, Orgosolo. and it is a mountain country.

in Sardinia many festivities of Nuragic origin exist based on the horse. as an example S' Ardia.
http://www.sardiniapoint.it/1437.html

I have translate for you:
Perhaps laughed them quite to the nuragico period, as seem to indicate the presence in the sacred area of a bètilo (betilo= Bet-il house of god), said pedra de Santu Antine, that it represents a feminine divinity of the fertility rituals.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjrP27...eature=related

Santu Antine
it is one of the greatest and Nuraghi important of the Sardinia.
http://www.fontesarda.it/imgsarde/nursan31.jpg

moreover we have various reperti that the nuragici went to horse, in a bronze statue a knight is in feet over a horse, like in other Sardinian tradition: The Pariglia
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=vadvH4...eature=related

this is typical askos a Sardinian one, even if they call it found villanoviano vase because in Italy

this has been found in a nuragic village

the symbols of the first vase are Sardinian, and the knight has the round shield of the Sardinians

[Zarax]

Ok, just to establish a few things:
Bi chi soe Nugoresu, ja l'isco chi b'este sa e s'ardia, sa sartiglia e ja connosco santu antine.

That said: I'm not saying there weren't horses in Sardinia at the time, I'm just pointing that given the native resources I doubt that heavy horses went over what in RTW would be represented by the general's bodyguard.
Sardinian equestrian tradition on the other side developed in the middle ages, when norman and arabic horses were imported, creating the basis for today's anglo-arabo-sardo. Sa sartiglia is for example derived from earlier moorish and spanish cavalry contests, quite later than what has been represented in EB.

Once again, we need to distinguish between imported military styles (be it greek, etruscan or punic) from the native nuragic fighting style, which was not unlike the iberian one.
It is more likely that the bulk of the nuragic tribes at the time was made of lighter infantry than showed in bronze statues, wouldn't be surprised if the later mamuthones derived from those as the romans called them Sardi Peliti.

To those that aren't familiar with Sardinian folklore here's what I'm talking about:
Not exactly looking like pushovers, no?

EDIT: As I realize that this subtopic was started with thread necromancy I plead a kind moderator to move the posts to a more relevant place before closing the topic.

[bovi]

Dedalonur, please PM MarcusAureliusAntoninus.

[dedalonur9]

Bovi, I have yesterday sent a pm to Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

Zarax we are making a O.t speech here I answer to you here if vuo still to discuss of…
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...76#post1876576