How to be forgiven by the pope...

**ForgotMyOldNick** · 08-01-2007, 08:24

2 last things I swear!

Shipping a professional army ( as in has the tech or armour to deal with tough units) and sitting on the border of Rome prior to negotiations might help as a last resort. (In my Sicily campaign when I went straight for Rome, I was attempting to do this prior to attacking but the Papal armies blocked me from getting there and were bringing up reinforcements. A stronger navy may have allowed me to do this, in fact ANY remnants of a Navy at the time, heh....)

I think the reason HRE always has good standing with the papal states in my campaigns is because of Bologna's postion being very close to Rome and usually has a full stack army sitting in it. That's why Florence is very contested to hold even after taking it and in good standing with the nearby factions maybe.

**sirnoob** · 08-01-2007, 09:14

I think he means after you've been excomunicated. If it is then don't use diplomacy it costs loads i just send my faction leader on a suicide mission to attack an enemy preferably full stack or stick him on a fleet and sail to some pirates.

**ForgotMyOldNick** · 08-01-2007, 09:19

I know now but he did ask about Church building etc. Plus I'm tiddles and gathering my thoughts :)

I'm sure these factors I stated will assist you in not getting excommunicated in the first place or maybe even reconciling your faction.

**icek** · 08-01-2007, 09:42

1. kill your king
2. kill current pope and in election vote for winner
3. build cathedrals and great cathedrals.
4. win a crusade

**OverKnight** · 08-01-2007, 11:36

I found a good way to be reconciled is too have the Cardinal of an ally elected Pope.

In the HRE PBM I'm in, we were at war with the Papacy and excommunicated. I allied with the english, killed the Pope, and then voted in the English Cardinal. Presto instant peace and reconciliation.

**Oshidashi** · 08-01-2007, 15:02

Originally Posted by OverKnight

I found a good way to be reconciled is too have the Cardinal of an ally elected Pope.

In the HRE PBM I'm in, we were at war with the Papacy and excommunicated. I allied with the english, killed the Pope, and then voted in the English Cardinal. Presto instant peace and reconciliation.

I thought you always get reconciled when the pope dies. I'm quite sure actually, because I believe you get a message like "pope is dead, all previous excommunications are declared null and void or something like that".

**tarbanrael** · 08-01-2007, 15:15

that's quite correct, I have also noticed that as soon as the pope croaks, all excommunicated factions are automatically brought back into the Catholic fold.
Shipping priests over to unbeliever lands is bound not only to get you cardinals once their piety gets hight enough, but also very good standing with the pope.

One thing i noticed with the crusades, whenever i lead a successful ones, is that other factions seemed very jealous and started attacking me shortly after. It happened with a Spanish and a French campaign I had. Or maybe they could not stand the fact that I was best pals with his holy sanctity...

**OverKnight** · 08-02-2007, 05:44

Originally Posted by Oshidashi

I thought you always get reconciled when the pope dies. I'm quite sure actually, because I believe you get a message like "pope is dead, all previous excommunications are declared null and void or something like that".

Not always. If you're just excommed sure, a new Pope will reconcile you. But if you are excommed and at war with Papal States, you are not reconciled with a new Pope as far as I've seen.