Stigmata

**Bijo** · 08-09-2007, 18:46

Tell me about it.

It appears there exist people who simply somehow receive wounds on bodily locations similar to where Jesus himself would have had them while he supposedly suffered by crucifixion. For instance the hands which were violently penetrated. During the event the one who is vulnerable to this stigmatical phenomenon is usually in terrible pain whereafter it takes some time for the wound(s) to disappear leaving the flesh clean as if nothing had occurred.

Some of them are so much... in a certain status, they can see Jesus and communicate with him. They "feel" the pain, that he has undergone, by stigmata and they believe it all to be true.

But is it true? False? Possible, impossible?

It may very well be (some of) these people make false claims and actually sneakily invent these phenomena. If I am not mistaken, science has shown the possibility of artificially creating physical symptoms with the use of cheap tools. It merely requires a little concoction and one could have something which appears "stigmatic" in nature. This does not, however, mean (some of) those people actually perform it in such ways.

There is no proof, or is there?

Well, I'll stop now and let you go on about it.

**HoreTore** · 08-09-2007, 20:18

Well, if it's true, then it's a very good reason NOT to be a christian, isn't it...?

I certainly won't follow a god who gives terrible pain to his most devoted followers... As a fun side-point, that's usually the mark of the evil gods in most fantasy universes...

**Divinus Arma** · 08-09-2007, 20:26

Fake.

**master of the puppets** · 08-09-2007, 20:36

I have stigmata, in, my eyes!

for all those fans of "neurotically yours".

**drone** · 08-09-2007, 21:23

Great song!

Stronger than reason
Stronger than lies
The only truth I know
Is the look in your eyes

Just like a car crash
Just like a knife
My favourite weapon
Is the look in your eyes

Oh, sorry, you mean the imitation of Christ's wounds. Possibly psychosomatic, probably fake, doubtfully divinely inspired.

**Kralizec** · 08-09-2007, 21:28

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

Fake.

Well said.

**atheotes** · 08-09-2007, 21:54

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Well, if it's true, then it's a very good reason NOT to be a christian, isn't it...?

I certainly won't follow a god who gives terrible pain to his most devoted followers... As a fun side-point, that's usually the mark of the evil gods in most fantasy universes...

Well... God works in mysterious ways...

**Stig** · 08-09-2007, 21:57

I hoped it was about me
Stig, mate

**HoreTore** · 08-09-2007, 22:20

Originally Posted by atheotes

Well... God works in mysterious ways...

Well, he should wise up then. I wont follow a god doing evil things... He seems to be needing a PR-consultant.

**Ironside** · 08-09-2007, 22:47

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Well, he should wise up then. I wont follow a god doing evil things... He seems to be needing a PR-consultant.

He has actually improved a bit, from what I've gathered from the OT, he was pretty much "worship me, or else!" and then even if you worshiped him, he would still do that "else" quite often.

**HoreTore** · 08-09-2007, 23:23

Originally Posted by Ironside

He has actually improved a bit, from what I've gathered from the OT, he was pretty much "worship me, or else!" and then even if you worshiped him, he would still do that "else" quite often.

So....He is now "worship me, and then else"...?

**Navaros** · 08-10-2007, 11:53

I say it's fake yes.

As for being possible: it would be possible via demon possession, but otherwise, no.

**doc_bean** · 08-10-2007, 13:43

Originally Posted by Navaros

I say it's fake yes.

As for being possible: it would be possible via demon possession, but otherwise, no.

Oh come on, God could do it if He wants to, if a demon can than why can't God ?

It's the medieval mindset, everything 'strange' has to be the work of some demon or the devil, even if it helps people.

Not that stigmatas help people and not that i believe they are caused by supernatural phenemena...