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    Behold:


    according this WSJ article, what you're looking at is the home of the 3rd largest contributor to Hillary Clinton campaigns over the past 3 years. Where the other contributors buy and sell Manhatten real estate or manage hedge funds, these folks, the Paws, run a gift shop.

    Is anybody else reminded of all of Bill's strange ties to the PRC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Behold:


    according this WSJ article, what you're looking at is the home of the 3rd largest contributor to Hillary Clinton campaigns over the past 3 years. Where the other contributors buy and sell Manhatten real estate or manage hedge funds, these folks, the Paws, run a gift shop.

    Is anybody else reminded of all of Bill's strange ties to the PRC?
    Hmmmm, somethings not right. Then again, Vince Foster figured out a way to kill himself by shooting himself twice. Anything's possible with the Clinton's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ article
    The Paw's Daly City home is a one-story house in a working-class suburb of San Francisco. On a recent day, a coiled garden hose rested next to a dilapidated garden with a half-dozen dried out plants. The din of traffic from a nearby freeway was occasionally drowned out by jumbo jets departing San Francisco International Airport.
    Hehehe, can you imagine a bunch of Chinese immigrants sitting at home, reading the paper, and shreiking "DILPADATED!!! THEY SAID OUR GARDEN IS DILAPADATED!!!!"

    (Note: nothing against the Chinese. There's plenty of cultures, like my father's Italian heritage, where insulting the family garden is the equivalent of challenging the family to a duel, and will be responded to as such).

    But come on.. these people live in a blue-collar neighborhood at the end of the runway of SFO, and they've managed to donate $45,000 to Hillary's campaign funds? And they barely voted and had never contributed prior to the 2004 election?
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    I'm sure the IRS would be interested to see how they managed to donate that money, and if they should have reported some deposits they received...

    The sad thing is, I would be very surprised if several candidates on both sides did not get donations like this.

    They named one of their kids Winkle. Winkle Paw. He must have beaten up in school as a child.
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    I'm telling you, if it comes down to Hillary versus Rudy, I will burn myself in effigy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    But come on.. these people live in a blue-collar neighborhood at the end of the runway of SFO, and they've managed to donate $45,000 to Hillary's campaign funds? And they barely voted and had never contributed prior to the 2004 election?
    From the article:

    It isn't obvious how the Paw family is able to afford such political largess. Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker. The couple's grown children have jobs ranging from account manager at a software company to "attendance liaison" at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund.
    Not exactly low paying jobs, now are they? Combined with what I see in my professional life (I deal with many asian business owners), that asians as a rule tend to be able to save way more money than their white counterparts given the same level of income, and also tend to spend much more of their money on philanthropic/political causes than us whities, this doesn't seem to be such a smoking gun to me.

    Granted, it's a bit of an anomaly, but I am inclined to agree with this:

    Lawrence Barcella, a Washington attorney representing Mr. Hsu, said in a separate email: "You are barking up the wrong tree. There is no factual support for this story and if Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    From the article:



    Not exactly low paying jobs, now are they? Combined with what I see in my professional life (I deal with many asian business owners), that asians as a rule tend to be able to save way more money than their white counterparts given the same level of income, and also tend to spend much more of their money on philanthropic/political causes than us whities, this doesn't seem to be such a smoking gun to me.

    Granted, it's a bit of an anomaly, but I am inclined to agree with this:
    Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story."
    I think that would have made it worse. Such an casual and widely-used name would probably have drawn more attention than Mr. Hsu.
    I also ask why would someone living in that house would suddenly start supporting a Senator in a state...across the country.
    Fishy.

    The Paw family is just one set of donors whose political donations are similar to Mr. Hsu's. Several business associates of Mr. Hsu in New York have made donations to the same candidates, on the same dates for similar amounts as Mr. Hsu.
    Same day contributions? Same amount contributions? To the same candidates?

    Very unusual to say the least.
    I am glad that there is an ongoing investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
    Yeah, it might be worth a look- just to make sure.

    I do remember some buzz before about Clinton links to money from China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
    And that's really the only point I was trying to make Don. I'm not a Hillary supporter, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time defending this one. I'm simply saying that this isn't quite as stinky as it is made out to be.

    Quite frankly (and I'll just bring this one in to make some conservative blood boil ), I think Michael Moore makes a much stronger case that the White House has been actually run by Riyadh for the past 7 years than anybody has so far made that the Clinton family are secret Chinese agents. Yet the same people who dismissed out of hand all of the Bush/Saud sillyness seem more than willing to swallow hook line and sinker the Clinton/Beijing nonsense. Both theories are backed up by not much more than inuendo and hearsay, but one is accepted and the other isn't.

    Odd, that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make.
    Why is that so weird? What happened prior to 2004? Let's see... 9/11, 2 invasions, bush being an idiot... I'd say that should be enough for anyone to get off their bum. People who might not have cared about politics when "nothing was happening", but when you get 2 invasions on your hands, you're likely to want your opinion heard...

    They might also have had a family member/close friend who have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan...
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