KotR cataclysmic event discussion thread

[Stig]

I have no idea what D&D is, but I simply don't like the plan of giving something to which I devoted some hours of my life and then letting him do what he wants with it.

[FactionHeir]

You can PM TC during the event and have almost complete control over your avatar's movements, so its not like you will die without having had any input.

[Ituralde]

I am completely in favour of this. I have to stress that from my past experiences there wouldn't be a lot of people I would trust with pulling this through, but TinCow and econ21 are definetly among them. The vote will get a yes for me.

As to the concerns Stig, voiced. I agree with you completely. It's a frightening thing to give the game away and loose all control over it. Like AussieGiant said it really is a leap of faith. It is necessary though, because otherwise an implementation of it would be either impossible or just simply boring.

If every action gets decided OOC, before it is implemented IC in every detail, the OOC discussions will just get tremendous. Votings will bog the game down, as every little piece has to be disected and voted on. Furthermore, while the timeline you suggest would certainly be fun, the specifics of it won't be. Having an argument in the Diet whose outcome is pretty much predetermined looses much of its appeal. Instead of creating excitement it would create boredom, as everyone would just be going through the motions.

For this to be pulled off, I think there is no other way as to giving one player complete control. Otherwise it just won't work and that's what this poll is for.

There's also another thing that has not been touched upon. While TinCow plans to orchestrate this whole thing, I don't think he wants his actions to reflect directly on Lothar. So while the Reich goes to ruins, this will be because of outside influence, not because of an incompetent Chancellor, who would surely be stopped by impeachment. I hope everyone understands the last part and acts accordingly should the event occur. And for those afraid of the consequences, TinCow and econ21 have always shown that they are ready to listen to people, and they will definetly do this during the catastrophe. Trust them, I do!

[Warmaster Horus]

I'm all for it. I also trust TC and econ21 to make as much chaos as possible, while keeping it fun for the players involved.

[Stig]

You'll always get a new one at some point.

That's the point, I've put so many hours into Ansehelm that I don't want a new one if I can make sure Ansehelm survives

he way we are working on it now, a third party character, not controlled by anyone, will be 'responsible' for the actions that spark the crisis.

Don't like that, I'd rather have an avatar who gets responsible for this.

[TinCow]

Hmmm the way I understood it:
1300-1320 Ituralde
1320-1360 TinCow

I will be playing a 10 turn Chancellorship, like normal, so that would be 1320-1340. The crisis that sparks the event will develop during Ituralde's term and probably begin shortly before the end. Once the first few basic moves have been made, I will take over and the effects of the earlier actions will be implemented.

That's the point, I've put so many hours into Ansehelm that I don't want a new one if I can make sure Ansehelm survives

I promise you that no avatar will die unless you make the choice to place yourself in danger. If you want to play it safe until things cool down and rebuilding begins, I will guarantee your survival.

Don't like that, I'd rather have an avatar who gets responsible for this.

I'm sorry, but I am not going to write a story where Lothar destroys the Reich. The actions that we are planning cannot possibly fit into the character I have created for him. You are not aware of everything that goes on in his life, but he believes himself to be a defender of the Reich, not an evil man. I don't see why I should have to destroy my avatar simply because I have volunteered to engineer this event for the benefit of all the players. Just as you are fond of Ansehelm, I am fond of Lothar and I do not want to see him wrecked. If you want to blame him for the events that happen under his watch, feel free. He is more than capable of responding to slander. However, I simply will not use a plot that makes him the arch-villain of the Reich.

[econ21]

I don't see why I should have to destroy my avatar simply because I have volunteered to engineer this event for the benefit of all the players.

On the other hand, if anyone does want to destroy their avatar helping to engineer this event - do PM TinCow or I. I am sure together we can work you into the story.

More generally, we will provide opportunities for players to shape events - either suggesting general ideas to us OOC; or, when the time comes, organising things in the Diet, in their Houses or providing specific instructions for how their characters will react. We've had some interesting PMs already that we are digesting. And when the event comes, you will not be passive spectators, but will be able to affect how it plays out - probably in ways we can't anticipate.

Hopefully when this takes off, it will spark lots of stories, speeches and side-plots, like the Civil War in WotS.

[FactionHeir]

Hmm maybe Wolfgang wants to run the empire in Lothar's stead? He is very accountable and reliable

[edit]
Just saw econ's post.
Actually, I wouldn't mind having a somewhat disgruntled Hans (depends on the next diet and the one after of course) becoming a villain later on.

[TinCow]

There's also another thing that has not been touched upon. While TinCow plans to orchestrate this whole thing, I don't think he wants his actions to reflect directly on Lothar. So while the Reich goes to ruins, this will be because of outside influence, not because of an incompetent Chancellor, who would surely be stopped by impeachment. I hope everyone understands the last part and acts accordingly should the event occur.

Yes, this will not be "Lothar Gone Wild!" For most of it, I will simply be the 'narrator' telling a story about what is happening to the Reich. The way we are working on it now, a third party character, not controlled by anyone, will be 'responsible' for the actions that spark the crisis. Perhaps Lothar will take over the Chancellorship after that, perhaps not, but even if he does the majority of what happens will be beyond his control.

[FactionHeir]

Perhaps Lothar will take over the Chancellorship after that

Now that would be Steffen Gone Wild. (Assuming you meant consecutive)

[TinCow]

No, the next Chancellorship will definitely be Siegfried's.

[FactionHeir]

Hmmm the way I understood it:
1300-1320 Ituralde
1320-1360 TinCow

[AussieGiant]

I have no idea what D&D is, but I simply don't like the plan of giving something to which I devoted some hours of my life and then letting him do what he wants with it.

I think you're holding on bit too tight Stig

You the player are more important than the avatar you control.

You'll always get a new one at some point.

D&D was a role playing game using a complex set of rules and kids/adults imaginations.

Kind of like this, but face to face and using a gaming system to generate characters and skills. These characters would be controlled by real people. One person would then run the "world" you played in creating stories and advantures for you to act out in.

It was either that or a secret cult brain washing kids and teaching them about the devil...*joke*