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    Americans also work longer than counterparts in rich states, report says

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    GENEVA - American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.

    They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States “leads the world in labor productivity.”

    The average U.S. worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235 and France at $54,609.


    The productivity figure is found by dividing the country’s gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.

    Only part of the U.S. productivity growth, which has outpaced that of many other developed economies, can be explained by the longer hours Americans are putting in, the ILO said.

    The United States, according to the report, also beats all 27 nations in the European Union, Japan and Switzerland in the amount of wealth created per hour of work — a second key measure of productivity.

    Norway, which is not an EU member, generates the most output per working hour, $37.99, a figure inflated by the country’s billions of dollars in oil exports and high prices for goods at home. The United States is second at $35.63, about a half dollar ahead of third-place France.

    Seven years ago, French workers produced over a dollar more on average than their American counterparts. The country led the United States in hourly productivity from 1994 to 2003.

    The U.S. employee put in an average 1,804 hours of work in 2006, the report said. That compared with 1,407.1 hours for the Norwegian worker and 1,564.4 for the French.

    Longer hours in Asia
    It pales, however, in comparison with the annual hours worked per person in Asia, where seven economies — South Korea, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Hong Kong, China, Malaysia and Thailand — surpassed 2,200 average hours per worker. But those countries had lower productivity rates.

    America’s increased productivity “has to do with the ICT (information and communication technologies) revolution, with the way the U.S. organizes companies, with the high level of competition in the country, with the extension of trade and investment abroad,” said Jose Manuel Salazar, the ILO’s head of employment.

    The ILO report warned that the widening of the gap between leaders such as the U.S. and poorer nations has been even more dramatic.

    Laborers from regions such as southeast Asia, Latin America and the Middle East have the potential to create more wealth but are being held back by a lack of investment in training, equipment and technology, the agency said.

    In sub-Saharan Africa, workers are only about one-twelfth as productive as those in developed countries, the report said.

    “The huge gap in productivity and wealth is cause for great concern,” ILO Director-General Juan Somavia said, adding that it was important to raise productivity levels of the lowest-paid workers in the world’s poorest countries.

    Asia catching up
    China and other East Asian countries are catching up quickest with Western countries. Productivity in the region has doubled in the past decade and is accelerating faster than anywhere else, the report said.

    But they still have a long way to go: Workers in East Asia are still only about one-fifth as productive as laborers in industrialized countries.

    The vast differences among China’s sectors tell part of the story. Whereas a Chinese industrial worker produces $12,642 worth of output — almost eight times more than in 1980 — a laborer in the farm and fisheries sector contributes a paltry $910 to gross domestic product.

    The difference is much less pronounced in the United States, where a manufacturing employee produced an unprecedented $104,606 of value in 2005. An American farm laborer, meanwhile, created $52,585 worth of output, down 10 percent from seven years ago, when U.S. agricultural productivity peaked.


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    Its been a while since I last had a lesson in economics, but isn't GDP affected indirectly by income/wages which makes up the expenditure part of the GDP?

    So if that were true, then it would follow that countries in which workers tend to earn little (low wages) and/or save a lot (low expenditure) tend to create a low "productivity" as defined by the article?
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    Default Re: U.N.: U.S. workers are world’s most productive

    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir
    Its been a while since I last had a lesson in economics, but isn't GDP affected indirectly by income/wages which makes up the expenditure part of the GDP?

    So if that were true, then it would follow that countries in which workers tend to earn little (low wages) and/or save a lot (low expenditure) tend to create a low "productivity" as defined by the article?
    I'm not sure wages have much to do with productivity as mentioned in the article. I reread it and read your question again, but I believe the article means the amount of physical goods/services that is produced per worker regardless of wages.

    EDIT: Thinking again, that does seem to have some merit. I'll let some more people post and I'll give it some more thought and get back to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir
    Its been a while since I last had a lesson in economics, but isn't GDP affected indirectly by income/wages which makes up the expenditure part of the GDP?

    So if that were true, then it would follow that countries in which workers tend to earn little (low wages) and/or save a lot (low expenditure) tend to create a low "productivity" as defined by the article?
    Yes, if you read why our proud Americans can ignore that Norway got more productivity/working hour, you'll see that the article practically says just that.
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    Btw, here is The economist's take on the same report...

    http://www.economist.com/displaystor...ory_id=9612033

    Quite different, I'd say.

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    Default Re: U.N.: U.S. workers are world’s most productive

    but then again, if you have a dinky $7.15 dollar a hour job, then you will be working overtime....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    Edit: And Ironside is just jealous at what he once had, but no longer has. Enjoy your 3rd world country while I find a fresh bundle of 100-dollar bills. I'm going to the toilet...
    Actually, I was rather annoyed with how they did setup the differences beteween Norway and the US. Currently it basically says the the US is best, except Norway, that can be ignored because they "cheat".

    On a more proper note I guess, what couldn't you've guessed Ice? The whole meassurement is based heavily on GNP (with foreign workers excluded I guess) and the American tendency to work longer compared to other western countries is also quite known.

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    If it was a simple matter of higher wages, wouldn't Japan and South Korea rank higher than Spain and Poland?
    It's not the only factor of course, but it certainly has influence.

    I did find Hore Tore's pro-rating per hour fascinating. The problem is, from the employers standpoint, how efficient they are per hour is irrelevant. If a Belgian worker produces $55/hour in value but only works 35 hours a week, but an American worker produces $50/hour and works 45 hours a week, the company winds up ahead with the American ($1925/week for the Belgian, $2250 for the American).
    True (if you assume that's the value that the company gains after paying the employed), but are you working for your company or for yourself in the end?
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    I presume that the denominator is all the known, legal workers, and that all those illegals "taking our jobs" aren't contributing to any of this wealth-creation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside
    Actually, I was rather annoyed with how they did setup the differences beteween Norway and the US.
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    Default Re: U.N.: U.S. workers are world’s most productive

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside
    Yes, if you read why our proud Americans can ignore that Norway got more productivity/working hour, you'll see that the article practically says just that.
    If it was a simple matter of higher wages, wouldn't Japan and South Korea rank higher than Spain?

    I did find Hore Tore's pro-rating per hour interesting. The problem is, from the employers standpoint, how efficient they are per hour is irrelevant. If a Belgian worker produces $55/hour in value but only works 35 hours a week, but an American worker produces $50/hour and works 45 hours a week, the company winds up ahead with the American ($1925/week for the Belgian, $2250 for the American). Edit: This assumes that both workers are salaried-exempt.

    I deliberately left Norway off the list becuase they appear to be a statistical anomoly. I have a hard time believing the average Norwegian works 1/3 again as hard as the average Belgian. I suppose that as the article suggests, it's in large part to the high value generated by the number of petroleum jobs available. Not that Norwegians aren't hard workers, I just don't think you have a broad enough economy to qualify.
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    Heh, I also saw The Economist first.

    Using output per hour, however, shows a different picture. Employees in Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands and France all churn out more than Americans' $50 an hour. Proof, perhaps, that workers are motivated best by shorter hours and more holidays.
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    The productivity figure is found by dividing the country’s gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.
    Wow, this has got to be the biggest BS study I've seen in a long time...

    If all engineers at company A do a much more effective work than the workers at company B, but the marketing guys at company A are worse than at company B, the engineers at company A will count as less effective workers by this measure The example shows pretty well what a lousy measure of productivity they're using...

    Americans also work longer than counterparts in rich states, report says
    Overtime typically makes you much less effective per hour. Someone who goes home, rests, and does exercise will outperform an overworked workaholic after the workaholic has kept this up for more than 1-5 years (which is how long they typically last). Overtime didn't build the economical advantage of the US. It's a common historical fallacy to mistake the practises of the strong for the practises that increase strength. Overtime is a result of the anarcho-capitalistic society form.

    The United States, according to the report, also beats all 27 nations in the European Union, Japan and Switzerland in the amount of wealth created per hour of work — a second key measure of productivity.
    That is not a second measure, it's almost the same as the previous one, but differently normalized
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