No, I agree that they really need to work on where their finances go. But is that ever a good excuse to steal, that someone's got enough money anyway?Originally Posted by HoreTore
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No, I agree that they really need to work on where their finances go. But is that ever a good excuse to steal, that someone's got enough money anyway?
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Stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is the best excuse ever.
Worked wonders for Robin Hood.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Careful. We were doing fine, until we started advocating theft as social justice.
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Praise of Robin Hood is not allowed?
Breach of copyright is theft?
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Breach of copyright certainly can cover theft. Photocoping an entire book, copying a chip layout etc. I don't know of anywhere that condones stealing another's work just because it is made by the sweat of invention. What I do know is that there are worse things then stealing, one of which is corporate sabotage (destruction of information) and vigilantism.
Bittorent in and of itself is an infrastructure for P2P it is no more guilty of copyright theft then a highway can be found guilty of drunk driving.
As for Robin Hood he is more myth then fact... which King signed the Magna Carta after all (and what political pressure was he under to do so?).
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Albeit one well established early on.
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
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I don't know about Sweden (or Australia) but generally breach of copyright is not theft for the simple reason that you are not denying the copyright owner use of his property.
Corporate sabotage of this sort should, if true, be dealt with extremely harshly. But I look at that list and it makes me doubt that the case will get anywhere, though Sony for one has been in trouble over copyright protection before.
Discussion about whether Robin Hood was real or a myth has no bearing here, except to prove that said discussion is, in fact, allowed! John signed Magna Carta because he had to, I'm not sure what you mean.
"Put 'em in blue coats, put 'em in red coats, the bastards will run all the same!"
"The English are a strange people....They came here in the morning, looked at the wall, walked over it, killed the garrison and returned to breakfast. What can withstand them?"
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Robin hood was brought up as a good reason to steal.
I was hinting that the facts don't match the reality... King John ended up doing a lot of good by signing the Magna Carta and as such should be remembered as a good guy in history... I also alluded that it wasn't done purely out of altruism... just the barons wanted a bigger cut... but they did allow more freedoms for the rest of the people in the process (I suppose they wanted as much support as possible... maybe this is the first example of pork barreling).
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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That's what I mean. Current copyright laws are archaic and ineffective, not suitably geared up to mass distribution and the presence of internet. While I can't condone corporate sabotage, that they resort to it is to some extent an illustration of why the relevant laws need a lot of improvement.
"The facts of history cannot be purely objective, since they become facts of history only in virtue of the significance attached to them by the historian." E.H. Carr
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Well, technically piracy is not theft. But I agree that artists should get paid for their work, and blatant piracy isn't the way to go.
I'm not sure about movies (they cost more to make and finance), but the old way of selling music needs to change. I'd be more than happy to see the artists themselves distributing their work and marketing themselves. With online digital distribution, this should be easy to do, and some bands are taking this step. Cutting out the middleman should have artists getting more of the profits. If a few music execs have to lose their jobs because of it, well, I don't really have a problem with that. There is no law stating that a company has to be profitable, if the series of tubes can make a business model obsolete, so be it.
Considering the extortion campaign currently being run by the RIAA here in the States, it's nice to see them getting nailed for their indiscretions elsewhere. Hopefully, the Swedish police/courts aren't bought out yet.
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Not yet. Their attempts to change our constitution so far has been denied.
Hopefully our goverment will resist them.
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The surprisingly widepsread amount of popular support bandits have at times enjoyed has historically really stemmed from a simpler source - the commoners usually hated their overlords enough to be willing to root for about anyone opposing the authorities, whatever his reasons, which pirates and bandits obvioously do sort of by default. (Except of course if they came and murdered *him* on the side...)
That they also tended to pay their assorted contacts, supporters, fences etc. quite well of course didn't hurt.
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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