Out of character thread XIV

**RoadKill** · 10-08-2007, 22:08

Okay I would like to inform everyone that, (in my stupidity), I severly scratched my MTW 2 disc, and now for some reason my computer can't sense the disc in the dvd-drive and won't run the game, so I will be unable to do anything with the game, so I need someone to fight my battles for me and stuff like that? Anyone willing?

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 22:22

Originally Posted by Stig

Nah, we can have 1 single unit attacking Jeruzalem or something

We don't have many units to spare.

Plus, it wouldn't make sense. Jan would be quite happy to have us reconciled. Everything is a-ok as far as he is concerned. Can't think of any possible reason why he would attack Jerusalem.

**Ferret** · 10-08-2007, 22:30

You could roleplay it as a single regement wanting to follow Luther and attacking the city on their own. That would still get us excommunicated, which I take it is where we want to be during the cataclysm?

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2007, 22:33

Or we could just cheat.

Go with the create_unit blah blah blah, send them off to attack whatever Papal thing is closest, disband them immediately.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 22:34

Why isn't Dassel attacking the Papal Army anyways? I thought that was what he wanted. Is he afraid of losing too much of The Army of Eventual yet Fulfilled Papal Stomptitude?

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2007, 22:35

Dassel has other things to do and does not want to waste time in fruitless attacks now that his objective has been completed.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 22:38

Once, we honk off the Papacy this turn, Dassel will just get besieged by that army anyways on the Papacy's next turn. Going to have to fight them some time. Unless you want to ask Econ to wait a turn before getting us excommunicated again. That way Dassel can leave on a boat next turn when he has some MP. But I think Econ wants us to take the civil disorder hit sooner rather than later.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2007, 22:41

I'm aware of that, thank you.

**Privateerkev** · 10-08-2007, 22:43

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm aware of that, thank you.

Thats what I am here for. Now go forth and smack that army!

**econ21** · 10-08-2007, 23:07

Roadkill, I would be happy to fight your battles for you.

The 24 hour deadline for battles has expired and given the current impasse, I will take back the save. We will work from Stig's save, but in the story, we are still excommunicated (I'll find a way).

The siege of Thessalonica is still ongoing - I assume Warmaster Horus still has not been able to patch to 1.3 and/or is snowed under with work. Becker is left in a very tough spot in Bucharest, but Cecil and I have liased, so we have options.

I am inclined to end the turn, then upload a start of 1316 save with no moves, giving everyone 24 hours to PM me with movement orders. If there are any no-brainer battles, they could be fought during that period.

**FactionHeir** · 10-08-2007, 23:21

Warluster agreed to engage Hümmel and has MP left, so you can still do that this turn.

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 00:27

As we're both in Australia we could do that in multiplayer.

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-09-2007, 00:39

this could have interesting results.

**econ21** · 10-09-2007, 01:41

All right, I pressed end turn. I will write a report on 1314 tomorrow. This is the savegame which everyone is encouraged to inspect (don't toggle fow or press end turn though):

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316_try.zip

I have not adjusted for desertion and possible order penalties yet.

Players have 36 hours to liase and submit their orders to me via PM.

The "no brainer" battles that can be fought now are:

Fritz (Tamur):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Ansehelm (Stig)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

In addition, we have a player vs player battle:
Hummel (Ignoramus) vs Von Salza (Warluster)

There are a number of options to resolve this (aside from diplomacy).
(1) multiplayer
(2) a refereed "table top" style battle like we did for WotS (but to save time, I will simplify it to two stages - deployment/battle plan; and mid-battle adjustment)
(3) mirrored battles vs the AI: I will set you each up with a battle vs the AI. You each write a battle report and a savegame. TinCow and I will judge which one of you did better; we will use the savegame of the winner.

If the two parties agree on one of the three methods within 24 hours, I will help them set it up. If no method is agreed, I will find a quick non-interactive way of resolving it - perhaps setting it up so the computer can autoresolve it.

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 01:50

So if it's done with multiplayer, what sort of battle will it be?

**TinCow** · 10-09-2007, 01:55

Wow, that was fast. I was hoping both sides would have some time to build up armies first.

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 02:02

Well Wolfgang isn't going to flee from Athawolf, so he's got no choice.

**Cecil XIX** · 10-09-2007, 02:06

How long did the PVP battles take in WOTS?

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-09-2007, 03:06

The shorter one (Ancyra) took about a week, the longer one (Rome) took around 2.

Of course, that was the only action happening during the turn, so it wasn't an inconvenience to take that long.

-edit- Actually, those aren't good examples to use, really. These were massive battles (equivalent of 4 stacks for Ancyra and 5 & change for Rome) and in Rome's case, lots of coordination was required. Here each side has approximately 5/6 of a stack and, as econ already mentioned, he's modifying the turn system to make it shorter.

-edit again- All this WotS talk makes me feel like an old man. "Back in my day we had real Civil Wars! With over five stacks and the fate of Republics at stake! None of this namby-pamby, two-turn, two-stack, battle over Duchies stuff! Bah!"

**Warluster** · 10-09-2007, 06:57

Well I like options 2 and 3, don't really want to do it multiplayer, as I don't play it and have absolutely no clue 'bout it.

Option 3, hm... nah. Judging, etc. Bah, I like number 2 where we sort of verus each other.

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 07:06

I've never done a Medieval 2 multiplayer before, so we're even.

I'd prefer to fight it out in multiplayer, but if you're unable to, then I'd go for option 2.

But let's work out which style we'll use before 24 hours are up so econ's job is easier and we don't delay the game.

**Warluster** · 10-09-2007, 07:49

Well I'll see how I do trying to work multiplayer.. its not too hard, right?

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 07:50

It shouldn't be. Especially since we're on the same time zones.

**FactionHeir** · 10-09-2007, 08:23

Originally Posted by TinCow

Wow, that was fast. I was hoping both sides would have some time to build up armies first.

Well, either has a full stack (well, Wolfgang has less than a fullstack, but Salza has a few militia), so I guess that counts as "build up", since we are bankrupt and have no capabilities of recruiting any troops.

**econ21** · 10-09-2007, 09:10

I forgot one other "battle" for 1316, arguably the most important: Becker (Cecil) and Zirn (Northnovas) at Bucharest.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Ignoramus and Warluster - why don't you have a trial MP battle using whatever forces you like? If it works, we can set up a battle where your forces roughly correspond to what you have on the campaign map. If it does not work, we will set up a "tabletop" style encounter. Thinking about it, it might be best in three stages: deployment; plan of attack; mid-battle revisions.

**AussieGiant** · 10-09-2007, 10:46

I'm pretty concerned about the boy's out east I haev to say.

It's certainly exciting though.

**Ignoramus** · 10-09-2007, 11:47

When would be a good time for a test, Warluster?

**TinCow** · 10-09-2007, 12:18

Just checked the save for the first time in a while. WOW. econ21 has done a very good job at helping the Reich deteriorate in a 'sensible' manner. I was planning on pumping up the AI when I took over, but I doubt that will be necessary. Even if we resumed playing as normal, it would be challenging.

**Ferret** · 10-09-2007, 17:04

Is it just me or has the Duchy of Franconia thread disappeared?

**Privateerkev** · 10-09-2007, 17:09

It's past the 2 week mark that a lot of us have our forum settings at. Just increase your range and you'll find it on the 2nd page.

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