Cataclysm Mechanics Draft

**AussieGiant** · 10-12-2007, 21:15

mmmm, very interesting idea TC, very interesting indeed

**Privateerkev** · 10-12-2007, 21:42

As long as it is only for the 1340 session, I like it.

**TinCow** · 10-12-2007, 22:07

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

What about non-Counts?

I meant it to include anyone in Dietrich's position. Let's revise it to "Electors that rebel against their Dukes will gain the +3 influence of a Duke, rather than the any other bonus they currently receive IF: (a) They are free (not a prisoner) and (b) Still control their Capital settlement."

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

As long as it is only for the 1340 session, I like it.

Definitely. The point is so that the entire group of players (rather than just econ21 and I) can figure out how to sort out this entire mess when it is all over. I don't want to tell people what the long-term ramifications will be for the Reich, I want us all to figure it out in the usual way. This simply gives the rebels a chance of changing the order of things. Without it, the Dukes could easily slap the rebels back into line, which wouldn't make sense if the rebels are actually successful. Of course, if the rebels aren't successful, the Dukes will not be threatened much by them at all. Notice that it will work both ways. If Hans captures both Wolfgang and Dietrich, he'll have a 100% guarantee of having all of Swabia's voting strength behind him. It also gives an added incentive NOT to execute an avatar.

**Stuperman** · 10-12-2007, 22:34

Given that Fredericus is in a castle, on an island, his situation is unique, if I read the rules correctly, I'll have 1 income per turn if I stay loyal, and 0 if I rebel, and no chance of recruiting boats, ever?

**TinCow** · 10-12-2007, 22:52

Actually, you would have 1 income if you rebelled, because it is a castle.

Don't worry, though. I will allow for people to trade wealth and send each other reinforcements. That's likely to be the best way for allies to help one another. One of the reasons I gave Dukes added income for each of their loyal Counts is so that they can in turn redistribute it to the men who need it.

For you specifically, Lothar will do his best to keep you alive if you remain loyal. Though remaining on Ajaccio might get... interesting. If you need to escape, I will make sure you have that option. Remember, there will ALWAYS be a 'safe' route every turn, though it might require you to lose some of your army, wealth, etc. in some circumstances. You won't get strong by running, but you'll be alive.

**FactionHeir** · 10-12-2007, 23:05

As long as you otherwise don't give rebelling characters too many bonuses, such as extra troops (or higher chance of getting extra troops) or more positive random events, the influence bonus should be OK with me.

I suppose this bonus also requires them to actually announce a capital?

As for wanting all of Swabia behind me...Hans believes in Harsh Justice. Any who oppose him face the gallows. That allows for new blood to come in that knows what fate awaits a rebel.

**Stuperman** · 10-13-2007, 03:27

I don't mind running to fight another day, and need some practice at sally battle's anyhow. I just didn't want to get stuck for all 10 turns with no re-enforcements.