Wow only Average Victory?

[tapanojum]

So I started a VH/M campaign as Hayasdan and decided to attack Ani-Kamah right from the get-go with the army held by the heir Samus of General,1 unit of Medium Cav, 2 Spearmen, 1 skirmisher, and 1 slinger. Went up against 2 half stacks including 1 general cav and 2 medium cav stacks.

Needless to say things didn't go well at ALL! After doing fairly well against 1 army, the 2nd came out routed all of my troops and all that was left were my General and his body guard cav vs about 8 or 9 units of Slingers/Spearmen/Skirmishers/Medium Inf. I thought it would be fun to turn up the speed to max and run around smashing into the enemy and see how much I can do before I die.

Surprisingly I was able to seperate a group here and there and start taking apart their army one by one. The AI stayed pretty close together when chasing me so it took a while but I got it down to 2 and a half units of left of the enemy before the time ran out. My general gained 2 silver chevrons.

Ending results were something like over 1000+ kills for me, and about 200 for the enemy...result average victory....what!!? How does the system judge a defeat to a heroic victory and everything in between. My general unit alone had around 650 kills. I'm not frustrated or anything, that battle was very amusing, just out of curiosity.

[Pharnakes]

Tut tut, just not good enough. You need to have had just your general form the very start.

On a serious note it does seem a very stange system at times.

[bovi]

I think that if you lose practically all your army (sounds like it), it's not considered a spectacular victory.

[tapanojum]

I think that if you lose practically all your army (sounds like it), it's not considered a spectacular victory.

Hmm, I only lost about 1/3 of my army (mainly skirmishers), Half retreated and I manually retreated the rest to minimize casualties as they were inevitable

[Karo]

Before you started the battle what wre the odds of victory. As the odds were 1:1 or 2:1 than it's very hard to get a heroic victory. And you retreat your troops so that counts also I think. A heroic victory is most of the time against great odds and you crush the enmey and don't lose that much soldiers.

[Sdragon]

Seems it mainly takes into account your casualties, and since you lost pretty much your whole army. :)

[tapanojum]

Seems it mainly takes into account your casualties, and since you lost pretty much your whole army. :)

So does the system count a "tactful" retreat as casualties?

My generals cav is at 1 gold chevron now. It is VH/M mode and Seleuks have invaded my lands in Hayastan as early as 270bc... I have repelled all attacks while simultaneously repelling those annoying HA attacks from the north. I led an army with my main general south to try and capture Sophene. The bad part is I had 5 archer units and only 3 spearmen units. The spearmen kept getting rocked and the archers skirmished around while my Gen cav were headhunters for generals and taking out units one by one. Even though half my army would get destroyed I would end up getting heroic victories out of these battles which were actually not as "heroic" as my first one.

Oh and to answer your question Karo, I forgot the odds ratio in the first battle, but it was GREATLY in the enemies favor at the start.

[Hooahguy]

i can relate to this- i was playing a quick batle it RTW as carthage, and basically, the sicpii destroyed my entire army except for my general, 2 units of libiyan spearmen and a unit of poeni infantry. and i won. i have no idea how i did it. but it was only an average victory, since i lost most of my army. oh well.

[tapanojum]

I'm getting one heroic victory after another now but these stupid AS stacks NEVER END! I've been getting attacked by them ever since 270bc and it's like they never run out of family members. I must of killed AT LEAST 9 or 10 of their family members and they keep coming out with more.

Can't build an economy when I'm constantly spending my cash on spearmen/archers lol

[Hooahguy]

...which is why i am so dreading a war with the AS.......

[bovi]

I suggest you bring the war to them. Might even give you the money you need.

[tapanojum]

...which is why i am so dreading a war with the AS.......

Anyone know if there is EVER an end to it or do I have to keep battling one stack after the other from the beginning of the game until a larger power possibly invades the AS?

The A-hole almost took Armivar (capital). My incompetent general died and I barely repelled the attack with only 1 unit of archers left.

[Hooahguy]

I suggest you bring the war to them. Might even give you the money you need.

i am forming armies as we speak......

[tapanojum]

I suggest you bring the war to them. Might even give you the money you need.

Reached Sophene before fighting 3 battles, enemy advantage, all during the same turn and having my armies exhausted and turned back to replenish only to find 2 more half stacks outside of my capital.

[PershsNhpios]

On the Grey Death, in the Epeirote campaign I played in 8.1, I had captured Pella, Serdike, Dalminion, Tylis, Byzantion, Kallatis, Athenai and Demetrias.
So I decided to cut myself a tiny slice of Anatolia - nobody wanted Nikaia!

I invaded and took it from those filthy eleutheroi, and stationed a great fort there, making an alliance with Pontos.
Seleukia held Sardis and Halikarnassos, and immediately sent me asked for an interview with me, inside of which they demanded 5000 mnai unless I wanted to be vanquished by the Seleukid Empire.

I turned to my translator, who was rather apprehensive, looked out on my Nikaia garrison, and thought back to the great many troops I had in the homeland.
'Argasemes Conellou, tell him to go ()()()() himself', I told my advisor, and, with wide eyes he repeated my words.

That very turn, quite intelligently, and out of the darkness, came three full armies belonging to the silver flag.

Now I didn't want to expand any further in Asia minor until I had reduced Peloponessus, and my armies would be flawed and badly depleted after every battle with a Seleukid general.

So I solved this problem by hiring, through Kallatis, three full stacks of Aorsi riders.
I would attack a Seleukid army, perch upon a hill, and loose so many arrows upon them that it truly appeared there was a great rainstorm above them.
I have to play every battle for myself, but I never have any casualties, and I always completely destroy every stack.

That is how I dealt with the Grey Death.

[Hooahguy]

arent phalanxes almost impervious to arrows from the front?

[PershsNhpios]

Not when the greatest strategy the minds of Seleukia have is to run all your men after the horse archers in the hope you might catch one.
Perhaps they have agreed they think their pikes long enough..

[gurakshun]

I slaughtered the garrison of Ancyra on the first or second turn as Pontus and still only got an average victory. That was also a surprise since the odds were so stacked in their favor.

[NightStar]

Phalangites tend to run after horse units like dog after a bone

When I´m facing Phalangite armies that outnumber me I tend to break up their formation by getting horsies close to them and then trot away.

[tapanojum]

Phalangites tend to run after horse units like dog after a bone

When I´m facing Phalangite armies that outnumber me I tend to break up their formation by getting horsies close to them and then trot away.

As soon as money permits it, I am hiring some Scyth HA

[Centurion Crastinus]

I defeated an Epeiros armt that had just a bit more men than I did, and they only had 2:3 odds over me and I still got a heroic victory. Although they lost nearly all their men and I lost probobly 15% of mine.

[Starforge]

So I started a VH/M campaign as Hayasdan and decided to attack Ani-Kamah right from the get-go with the army held by the heir Samus of General,1 unit of Medium Cav, 2 Spearmen, 1 skirmisher, and 1 slinger. Went up against 2 half stacks including 1 general cav and 2 medium cav stacks.

Needless to say things didn't go well at ALL! After doing fairly well against 1 army, the 2nd came out routed all of my troops and all that was left were my General and his body guard cav vs about 8 or 9 units of Slingers/Spearmen/Skirmishers/Medium Inf. I thought it would be fun to turn up the speed to max and run around smashing into the enemy and see how much I can do before I die.

Surprisingly I was able to seperate a group here and there and start taking apart their army one by one. The AI stayed pretty close together when chasing me so it took a while but I got it down to 2 and a half units of left of the enemy before the time ran out. My general gained 2 silver chevrons.

Ending results were something like over 1000+ kills for me, and about 200 for the enemy...result average victory....what!!? How does the system judge a defeat to a heroic victory and everything in between. My general unit alone had around 650 kills. I'm not frustrated or anything, that battle was very amusing, just out of curiosity.

There's a word for this....

let me think...

Pyrrhic

[Hooahguy]

Phalangites tend to run after horse units like dog after a bone

When I´m facing Phalangite armies that outnumber me I tend to break up their formation by getting horsies close to them and then trot away.

nice! im gonna try that against the AS!!!!!
thanks for the tip!
in appreciation, heres a balloon

[tapanojum]

FINALLY! After killing anywhere between 12-15 AS FM's the attacks seemed to slow down considerably. Enough for me to march down, capture Sophene and Capadocia.

Now that the major annoyance from the AS is temporarely gone..just gotta worry about the half stack rebels that keep coming from the north and the HA armies.

This is the funnest game I've played so far