Out of character thread XV

[Ramses II CP]

I've been reading the Cataclysm threads avidly, and I've got to say it looks like a load of fun. I've read some of the other threads as well, notably the Outremer thread, and I think if Franconia needs hands, I'm reputed to be handy.

Which is to say, got room for another noob?

If there's any flexibility in avatar choice I would like a high loyalty one, without regard to other stats. I can work with it either way, of course, just the background bit I've got in mind at the moment works with loyalty.

[gibsonsg91921]

we got room for plenty of noobs

plz join franconia!

[Ignoramus]

Welcome, Ramses! You've chosen a great time to join. This is probably the funnest section of the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's awesome that we're getting so many new players as of late.

Keep in mind, guys, as TinCow said before, that after 1330 there are four turns of Cataclysm left - then we go back to our normal Chancellor-controlled style of play. Not that it's not fun, it's just not at the same level. However, I'm certain that the Diet of 1340 will be quite an event; we should probably think about extending it a day or two.

[Privateerkev]

And I'm not sure how two posts like that are "spam" on a thread that's seen such serious posts as jokes about betting on the battle and King Jan's secret love affair with Arnold.

Are you daring to imply that my post was anything but deadly serious!?!?

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[deguerra]

ok, i think i understand most of it now. i do have two important questions though:

1. are you actually each using M2TW or is it only/mainly the Chancellor that does things "in game"?

2. What kind of availability do you require of your players. i AM just finishing my uni exams (tomorrow, yay) and have two weeks before i do some work experience (although that wont stop me from participating) but ive been known to need a break from my computer for a day or two once in a while. I would love to join, but I dont want to upset people or the game by not giving it the time it needs and deserves.

cheers
-deguerra

[Ignoramus]

1. You don't need MTW2 to play, but if you can't fight battles. The Chancellor needs to have MTW2.

2. As much time as you're willing to give. It's basically up to you.

[deguerra]

Right. Well getting M2TW is not a problem, I just dont have it installed at the moment, and believe it was last seen somewhere in the depths of my cupboard somewhere :D

In any case, for better of for worse, im in! Now, where do I sign, and what do I have to do (who do I have to bribe/sleep with) to get up and running?

cheers
-deguerra

[Privateerkev]

In any case, for better of for worse, im in! Now, where do I sign, and what do I have to do (who do I have to bribe/sleep with) to get up and running?

Econ is the official "distributor of the avatars". As for method, I found it's best to just ask him for things. ^_^

[Stuperman]

econ21 seems to be the de facto, uh, roster keeper. I'm pretty sure that joining which ever house you want won't be a problem.

edit: beat me by 2 minutes PK :D

[Zim]

Are you daring to imply that my post was anything but deadly serious!?!?

Not at all, my friend. Your post was every bit as serious as mine! I meant to imply that since my posts were as serious as those other ones, they couldn't be spam, which would consist of silly posts.

[Privateerkev]

Not at all, my friend. Your post was every bit as serious as mine! I meant to imply that since my posts were as serious as those other ones, they couldn't be spam, which would consist of silly posts.

My post was so much seriouser than yours. And no spam exists in the OOC thread. Every post is full of meaning. Especially this one. Complex deep contextual meaning.

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[Zim]

Ah, but my posts are the most seriousest of them all. They contain so many layers of contextual meaning that they don't mean anything at all.

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My post was so much seriouser than yours. And no spam exists in the OOC thread. Every post is full of meaning. Especially this one. Complex deep contextual meaning.

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[econ21]

Welcome, deguerra and Ramses II CP.

The assignment of avatars will require some thought, so I will have a think and consult some other players. We are in something of a hiatus until the Siege of Bern is resolved anyway.

deguerra - please do re-install M2TW and apply the fix linked in the first post of this thread. It is very hard to keep up with everything unless you can periodically inspect a savegame and having your general fight his own battles is a big part of the fun.

[Zim]

Econ21, do you mean the trait fix? If so I'll download and install it right away.

[econ21]

Yes - we use a lightly modded version of M2TW; kotrfix which was created by Factionheir. It does not change the core gameplay, but alters some of the traits and allows recruitable generals.

[Zim]

I'm a little confused by the readme for the mod. Is it saying I have to make some kind of batch file to run the fixes? It's been so long I'm not sure I remember how.

Yes - we use a lightly modded version of M2TW; kotrfix which was created by Factionheir. It does not change the core gameplay, but alters some of the traits and allows recruitable generals.

[AussieGiant]

I'm a little confused by the readme for the mod. Is it saying I have to make some kind of batch file to run the fixes? It's been so long I'm not sure I remember how.

What I did is create a second desktop icon with the slightly adjusted file path which is explained.

I then give it a nice title to make sure I always remember to use that one.

Then you're set.

[Zim]

Ok, I extracted the files to the correct places and double checked to make sure the right files were now in the Data and Text folders.

Did you mean making a copy of the shortcut for the game? If so, I'm not sure how to change the file path (opening it just runs the normal game).

What I did is create a second desktop icon with the slightly adjusted file path which is explained.

I then give it a nice title to make sure I always remember to use that one.

Then you're set.

[FactionHeir]

Yes, create a shortcut linking directly to medieval2.exe

In the target section of the shortcut, add:

--io.file_first

To the end of the current line and run it.

To see whether it is working, load up a KOTR savegame and hmmm check whether Arnold shows up as Saint or Inspiring. I think there's more, but without a library update, its difficult to remember.
Alternatively, give a random avatar via console (have to select him first and be outside settlement):

give_trait this AssassinMaster 3

And see if he's getting any Authority for it.

If you got difficulty figuring out the shortcut, you can instead modify your medieval2.preference.cfg file to add at the very start:

[io]
file_first = 1

Then mark read-only and start medieval2.exe normally.

[AussieGiant]

Zim,

the unofficial way to check is exactly that.

The title of my character should be Inspiring not Saint...as he's definately not a saint Which is what brought up this topic just recently.

He's in Ragusa, east of Rome on the continent near modern day Croatia on the coast.

[Zim]

Alright, I had a little bit of trouble with the shortcut(kept getting an error saying that wasn't a valid target). However, I changed my cfg file, started a game up, and giving a character that trait gave him +2 authority. I'm going to go hunt down a KOTR save to check and make sure.

Thanks for all the help.

Update: I loaded up a KOTR save and, sure enough, he's "Arnold the Inspiring". I also noted that recruitable generals (another feature of the mod, I think) are also in. Looks like I'm good to go. Thanks again for the help!

[deguerra]

Hey Zim,

regarding the invalid target thing, make sure to have any adjustments to the target outside of the shortcut:

ie "C:\Program Files\Paradox Interactive\Doomsday (CORE)\Hoi2.exe" mod-CORE2

where the mod-CORE2 is outside of the brackets ("") denoting the file path

-deguerra

[Zim]

Ah, so that was my mistake. I have it working with the config file, so I'll probably stick with that rather than risk screwing things up through my incompetence. It's nice to know, though.

P.S. Nice sig!

Hey Zim,

regarding the invalid target thing, make sure to have any adjustments to the target outside of the shortcut:

ie "C:\Program Files\Paradox Interactive\Doomsday (CORE)\Hoi2.exe" mod-CORE2

where the mod-CORE2 is outside of the brackets ("") denoting the file path

-deguerra

[econ21]

I've consulted about avatars. Next turn, we will create recruitable generals for our two newest players.

deguera will be given a Swabian, loyal to Hummel.

Ramses II CP will be given a Franconian.

[TinCow]

FYI, my recruitable general problem is fixed. I will take responsibility for spawning them.

[AussieGiant]

So econ,

Just for my benefit. You fight these various battles on the map using customised battles in MTWII?

Cheers
AG

[econ21]

Just for my benefit. You fight these various battles on the map using customised battles in MTWII?

I use custom battles to get a feel for what would happen. I try to split combats in a turn into groups. Then I fight the mini-combat from both sides vs the AI. I take a view of the "average" result, based on commonsense and usually go with that. It may be hard to do with a siege though as the AI can't be relied upon to defend a wall at a given point (or at all, sometimes). But custom battles should still give me something to go on.

[AussieGiant]

I use custom battles to get a feel for what would happen. I try to split combats in a turn into groups. Then I fight the mini-combat from both sides vs the AI. I take a view of the "average" result, based on commonsense and usually go with that. It may be hard to do with a siege though as the AI can't be relied upon to defend a wall at a given point (or at all, sometimes). But custom battles should still give me something to go on.

WOW...incredible...you and TC are amazing.

[FactionHeir]

I've consulted about avatars. Next turn, we will create recruitable generals for our two newest players.

deguera will be given a Swabian, loyal to Hummel.

Ramses II CP will be given a Franconian.

So that makes +2 generals for Hümmel as Zim is also taking a Hümmel supporter?

The Bern battle seems to be going into the decisive phase. Should be interesting to see how it resolves.