Out of character thread XV

**AussieGiant** · 10-30-2007, 12:37

TC...you're fine there mate.

I'm being a little "tongue in cheek" at the moment and it seems to have been lost in the writing.

And I can't lose Ragusa or we are screwed.

I'll attack and see what happens.

I'll be taking the same tonight if that is ok TC?

**TinCow** · 10-30-2007, 13:57

Oh, I know you were, I just started feeling a bit guilty. I wrote your options and description before I actually teleported in the second army (it had walked away) and beefed it up. In hindsight I started wondering whether I had made it too hard for you. Seriously, though, I swear that losing Ragusa will NOT be the end of Austria. I see Ragusa and Budapest as outlying territories around the Austrian core of Venice, Vienna, and Zagreb. At a minimum, you should be able to hold onto those. One option that might be worth considering is to wait until the Venetians assault Ragusa, with Arnold as reinforcement, then try to beat them inside the walls and defeat them from the second or third ring.

Go ahead and fight whenever you like, just post in here when you do, as usual.

**StoneCold** · 10-30-2007, 14:37

But I can't see Arnold as someone who will wait for the Venetian to assault Ragusa... :P With the Berserker trait and all, he will most likely want to wade right in before his precious citadel got assaulted.

**AussieGiant** · 10-30-2007, 15:25

Hi TC,

I haven't seen the stacks yet...I will tonight when I get home. I'm a little concerned that you're concerned. If you're concerned then I need to be at least a little concerned...

I'll take a look before I commit to an attack after your comments.

And yes SC, it's going to be something like that in the battle write up :)

Swordbearer, Military Engineer and Preist vs Berserker, Dread Knight.

**OverKnight** · 10-30-2007, 16:09

Help me Ultra Jesus!

Heh, I might get plowed under, but I'll get some good speeches in before the end.

This is going be good.

**Privateerkev** · 10-30-2007, 16:13

Originally Posted by TC

Outremer is in a tough spot, but part of that is due to Privateerkev, not me.

Jeez, it's getting to where a player can't have his avatar go on a belated honeymoon to Timbuktu anymore without being at least partially blamed for creating a difficult situation for everyone else.

**econ21** · 10-30-2007, 16:18

Can anyone remind me of the mechanics of Pope killing and reconciliation? I know Overknight achieved reconciliation in the Heinrich era. If we remove the current Pope and replace him with a German, will we be reconciled? That seemed to be what happened post-Durazzo when Stig accidentally backed a German rather than the current Spaniard.

And could I then gift back Jerusalem to the Papacy?

**OverKnight** · 10-30-2007, 16:23

If we elect our own Pope, or that of an ally, peace and reconciliation will be accomplished. If we merely vote for a non ally or non-german winner, our relations with the new pope will rise, but we'll still be excommed and at war.

To donate, we'd need a diplomat and an appropriate Papal Stats char to make contact with (captain, General or diplomat). Our despicable reputation might effect negotiations, but I doubt they would refuse a straight gift.

**Privateerkev** · 10-30-2007, 16:24

I think that's how it works. When you whack the Pope, a new one will pop up where the capital was since there are no other territories. When the game checks if there is no Pope, you'll get the option to pick like Stig did. We own the College so it will be German. A German will reconcile us and put us up to full "faith" with him. Then you can gift the city back.

At least that is as far as I know. FH or OK or others might know something different.

*edit*

I wrote this before I saw OK's post

Also, isn't the Pope German? Stig picked a German and then GH never took the new save. We worked off of Stig's save IIRC

**OverKnight** · 10-30-2007, 16:38

The pope might be German, but Pontiffs get independent minded, particularly once we're excommed and at war. He might be German, but it doesn't matter anymore.

Gotta get a shiny new one to forgive us. Just like back in the day.

**econ21** · 10-30-2007, 16:50

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Also, isn't the Pope German? Stig picked a German and then GH never took the new save. We worked off of Stig's save IIRC

Oops - you are right. I'll edit out the Spaniard reference.

OOC what happened was that Stig picked a German, we were reconciled, so then I mounted a suicide attack on a Papal army with one unit to get us excomm'd again.

IC what happened was that we were never reconciled.