Out of character thread XV

[AussieGiant]

Igno's gotta be happy about that.

Make you wonder if I should go on some recruiting drive like real politics.

[TinCow]

So that makes +2 generals for Hümmel as Zim is also taking a Hümmel supporter?

+2 generals, but pretty much +0 additional resources. 2 more generals does not mean 2 more armies or double the wealth. He will either have to keep his military concentrated, which means new generals add nothing to him, or he will have to disperse the units between the new people, which will make him more versatile, but less able to defeat large armies. Plus, he's about to lose Caen and will be limited to Militia, Flemish Pikes, Hand Gunners, and Arquebusiers. Not exactly a match for a high level castle army.

More people does not mean more power during the cataclysm.

[Ramses II CP]

You know, I think I'd take two general's bodyguards against any six companies of AI castle units (But not 1 vs 3!). They aren't armies, but they are extremely battlefield effective as long as you're willing to risk them.

Needless to say, don't expected Nameless von Franconia to be hanging back in battle.

[Zim]

+2 generals, but pretty much +0 additional resources.

I beg to differ. Aside from two units of formidable heavy cavalry (and any small number of units that may be spawning with one or both of the generals ), Hummel has gained two additional heads with which to consult about the state of his small principality. He can now defend both cities with players-led battles with or without jeapordizing his own avatar. He can use his new generals in battles against hostile players, rather than risk Hummel's death and the disentegration of his Empire.

They may not come with fully upgraded armies of Mounted and Dismounted Gothic Knights, Pavise crossbowmen, and Ritters, but I thnk that two new generals adds a lot of resources to the Principality, especially considering how poor it was in them to begin with.

[Cecil XIX]

I beg to differ. Aside from two units of formidable heavy cavalry (and any small number of units that may be spawning with one or both of the generals ), Hummel has gained two additional heads with which to consult about the state of his small principality. He can now defend both cities with players-led battles with or without jeapordizing his own avatar. He can use his new generals in battles against hostile players, rather than risk Hummel's death and the disentegration of his Empire.

They may not come with fully upgraded armies of Mounted and Dismounted Gothic Knights, Pavise crossbowmen, and Ritters, but I thnk that two new generals adds a lot of resources to the Principality, especially considering how poor it was in them to begin with.

Very good point, Zim. And not only that, if they survive Hummel will have a lot more political power in the next Diet.

[FactionHeir]

What Zim said, and of course that they have options such as raising troops during the cataclysm as well and can, as any avatar, hire troops from settlements and lead attacks against others rather than autoresolve or armies being confined to settlements.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, I am most interested in what will happen next Diet session regarding the Principality of Swabia. Peter is concerned on this issue. He is not sure which route to take. Maybe I'll debate it in another subjective story.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If anyone is going to have a problem supplying orders within 24 hours over the weekend, please let me know.

I'm fine for the weekend, but American Thanksgiving is coming up on Thursday which might affect me and Privateerkev if the battle is not resolved by then.

[FactionHeir]

Don't worry, your troops will just stand idle and defend themselves. Not much more they need to do in a siege defense, right?

Do you mean this Thursday (as in the Thursday that just passed 5 minutes ago) or next?

[TinCow]

American Thanksgiving is next Thursday, not this one. A delay due to Thanksgiving is not a big deal, because I will be gone for it as well. I don't think it will last that long, though, and I hope to have the next turn (1332) running over that weekend.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Next Thursday, and stop messing with my mind.

[Zim]

Igno's gotta be happy about that.

Make you wonder if I should go on some recruiting drive like real politics.

I guess it's safe to admit now that I made my decision before even having a strong idea of the sitiation in Swabia. Ignoramus was the first and only person to send me an IC pm about who to join. Fellow players in the hotseat campaigns I'm in can attest to my being a sucker for IC negotiations.

Thanks for the acknowledgement, guys. Of course, Tincow's point is perfectly valid. Hummel's new generals will not magically make Hummel have more money for soldiers, nor spawn with tremendous armies that will lay waste to all the Principality's enemies. I was just thinking out loud about the flip side of the argument, which I thought also beared mentioning.

[Tamur]

Between TinCow's post on upcoming battles and now, there's a lot of water under the proverbial stream crossing, so I may have missed someone taking the save. I've taken the save he posted, since I didn't see where anyone else had. However, I'll wait 30 minutes or so before fighting, just in case anyone sees this and knows the save has been used since then.

*twiddles thumbs*

[TinCow]

The link in my post (this one) is still the most recent save.

[Tamur]

Wonderful, thanks TinCow, I'll post back up in an hour or so.

[Tamur]

Battle fought, victory with some new scars for Fritz! He needed more, he wasn't ugly enough already.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-8.zip

I have one more against the Danes this round, but I will have to return to this another time due to the hour here.

[Privateerkev]

Happy Birthday AG!!!

[AussieGiant]

Happy Birthday AG!!!

Thanks PK!!!

And if people are not sure if an increase in avatar's is a respective house is not valuable...I'm more than happy to "bring them up to speed" with the multitude of benefits...and there are tonnes that go beyond just the militart aspect.

[TinCow]

Updated


The deadline has expired and orders have NOT been received from:
Athalwolf von Salza (Warluster) - Orders received
Lorenz Zirn (Roadkill) - Orders received
Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus) - Temporarily Absent, he notified us in advance. Thus, this is not an issue. Included on the list only for my own future memory.

I understand that this turn will be longer than usual due to the Battle for Bern. I will thus continue to accept orders for the near future. However, I am getting annoyed at the sluggish response over the last two turns. I will not hold the game up for people who do not submit orders.

Also, whoever wins the Battle for Bern will have an opportunity to pacify one province per Elector after the battle. This applies to Dietrich von Dassel (GeneralHankerchief), Hans (FactionHeir), and Jan von Hamburg (Privateerkev).

Pending Battles:

Save as of 11:30am EST, Nov. 17th: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-12.zip

Péter von Kastilien (gibsonsg91921):

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You have recruited a regiment of Teutonic Knights and stand ready to pacify the lands around Frankfurt. If you are successful, the locals will respond to your speech with a moderate levy of troops to defend Franconia.

Fritz von Kastilien (Tamur): (Yes, Again)

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You eliminated the rebel army and pacified Stettin, but the city itself remains under siege by the Danes. If you want to keep your County, you had best relieve it.

Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman):

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You have trained the last of the Corsican peasants to turn them into Pavise Crossbowmen. You are now ready to face off against the Byzantines besieging Milan.

Note: The garrison will join you in the attack. If you plan on harassing the enemy, then withdrawing, it would probably be a good idea not to have the garrison under AI control. If the garrison is destroyed completely and you withdraw, the Byzantines might take the city instantly. If you leave the garrison under human control, you can ensure that at least some survive (if any enter the battle at all). Also, when you are done, you can move south and pacify Genoa by attacking the rebels there. If you run out of movement points, thus preventing you from fighting both battles, enter the following command in the console to give yourself more movement points:

character_reset "Fredericus Erlach"

Wolfgang Hummel (Ignoramus):

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You have hired two regiments of Flemish Pikemen. Both Antwerp and Bruges are suffering from religious warfare. You may pacify ONE of the two provinces.

[econ21]

Two questions I want to ask each of the battle of Bern participants*:

(Q1) Suppose your general gets into a melee that he is going to lose. Do you want to:
(a) fight to the death?
(b) surrender?
(c) flee?

(Q2) As Q1, but suppose flight is impossible - surrender or death?

Maybe include the answer in your next set of orders.

If I don't receive an answer, I will assume you will flee if possible, otherwise surrender.

*Unfortunately, this does not really apply to Hugo, as he no longer is a combat unit and is just giving out orders.

EDIT: Answers received. Interestingly, all three generals picked different responses!

[Ignoramus]

I'm guessing Hans chose to fight to the death?

Edit: Taking the save.

[FactionHeir]

Ignoramus: After you finish this save, finish the MPC one as well, will you? Been waiting almost a week for your turn.

[Ignoramus]

Battle finished.

FH: Sorry about that; will get on it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't forget to upload the save.

[TinCow]

He did, he just forgot the link:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-10.zip

[gibsonsg91921]

happy bday AG!

[Zim]

Happy Birthday, AG!

Looks like things are really happening in the Battle of Bern.

[econ21]

Looks like things are really happening in the Battle of Bern.

Definitely. I have all the orders in for turn 5 and it is going to be another dramatic one. Unfortunately, I am too exhausted to resolve it properly now. I am not sure when I can escape from family duties to do it tomorrow, so it may be the evening before there is a result.

[Zim]

This evening? What time zone would you happen to be in?

Definitely. I have all the orders in for turn 5 and it is going to be another dramatic one. Unfortunately, I am too exhausted to resolve it properly now. I am not sure when I can escape from family duties to do it tomorrow, so it may be the evening before there is a result.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Econ is UK time, or GMT +0.