Coats of Arms

[deguerra]

hmm, not sure the lance isn't too thick now:

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Privateerkev, what do you think of this:

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[Privateerkev]

Is that for Jan or Alfgarda?

I like it by the way. :D

[deguerra]

that one is for Jan. Women often had a diamond shaped coat of arms, and it would probably include less of the crusader stuff? Would you like me to do that?

edit: OOPS I forgot all of your numbers. my bad. will fix that now :D

edit: and the mongol shield. and the all seeing eye...i really need to laern to read :D

[Privateerkev]

I dig, the CoA for Jan. I see that size would limit putting in all the little stuff I brought up so this is fine.

As for Alfgarda, I thought it was cool of you to offer but I don't know where I'd put it. Probably just in your front page to this thread. She wasn't an avatar so she wouldn't have a spot in the library. And I retired her so it wouldn't be in my sig.

So, doing one for her is up to you. I would just have it in your front page to this thread. But if you did one, what you suggested sounds cool.

Thanks again for doing this stuff.

[deguerra]

well the numbers are def. going in. they look neat. will see how the rest goes

[Privateerkev]

well the numbers are def. going in. they look neat. will see how the rest goes

awesome!

[deguerra]

yeh is this all right? The rest of the stuff would be quite small, and it will take me a while to do it all. If you really want it in, I have no problem with that, but it may have to wait a while:

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[Privateerkev]

I like it!

If you don't mind doing the other stuff, I don't mind waiting. Jan is dead so put this at the bottom of your pile. I think the active avatars should get taken care of first.

Thanks again!

[Zim]

Hello, deguerra. I pmed you but I thought it would be good to put this here as well, where it's easier to get to.

For Andreas von Salzgitter, I was thinking this main shield, but in yellow and black to match Swabia's colors.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...yviller_54.svg

However, for the subshield I was thinking this one from His hometown, Salzgitter.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Co...Salzgitter.svg

Thank you, all of the work you've done looks great!

[deguerra]

Zim, wait your turn you impatient bugger

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nah thanks for posting the stuff here again

gibsonsg91921 what do you think of this for peter:

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if peter would rather not have a crown (he doesnt seem to like symbols of authority) I can change that

edit: ok i have tancred of tyrolia and then Zims new character still to do? amybody else?

Sinan, I have not forgotten you, sorry if I don't always reply, but feel free to post what youd like here or PM me anytime

edit2: Fritz, I forgot Fritz!

[deguerra]

now I don't know if Tancred is a count, Duch_guy, and if so I don't know of what place. For know ive given him a counts crown, but his subshield is simply tirolian:

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[AussieGiant]

Hi deguerra,

A question...do you think you could make Arnold's a little more "dready"?

Low priority as the current one is great...he's just got 10 dread so seeing his banner on the field has people recollect Hades and other such imagery...at least for the bad guy's

[FactionHeir]

Thanks deguerra, looks fine now. Yep, lance might be a bit too thick as you said. Maybe an average between the two?

Thanks

[deguerra]

most definetely, on one condition: tell me how I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D

hows this for Fritz, Ramses II CP?

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the griffin isn't rampant, I know, but that is actually the coat of arms of stettin, which I figured was too good a coincidence to miss.if you tell me a motto, I can probably make a banner underneath. No FABRICATI DIEM PVNC now...:P

edit: Zim hows this: the only thing I changed is added more lions to make the swabia thing more obvious. let me know if youd like them gone:

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i must admit i think it looks pretty damn cool. nice find!

[Zim]

That is surely one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Only thing is, at the moment at least, I'm not a count. If things improve for the better in Outremer, I may well become one, but for now no crown for me.

The only thing left is to see if it survives resizing and manages to keep its level of coolness.

Could you resize it to something siggable? I'm off to the pub with a friend right now, but I should be back in an hour or so. I'll put it right in my sig then.

edit: Zim hows this: the only thing I changed is added more lions to make the swabia thing more obvious. let me know if youd like them gone:

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i must admit i think it looks pretty damn cool. nice find!

[deguerra]

count shmount...just plain like that the one of that silly king of yours then :D. fine with me. will do that and resize, check this spot soonish.

I believe, other than Sinan, that is everyone for the moment. I am still working on Jans, and possibly one for Alfgarda, and I havent heard from quite a few people, but I think that is it for now, yes?

edit: done and done:

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[Zim]

Can't wait to see it. Feel free to make any adjustments needed to make it look ok Sig size. If it's hard to pick out the black lions from the black cross once it's shrunk down, maybe make the cross thinner, or change its color?

[AussieGiant]

Hi deguerra,

Did you see my request for a little more "dread aspect" for Arnold?

Cheers
AG

[gibsonsg91921]

oo i dig i dig.

idk how possible this is, but could you ditch the crown and put crossed swords in the back of the shield?

[Ramses II CP]

I like it, but seeing as Stettin had to be abandoned I think Fritz might feel a bit odd about it. Then again this isn't the sort of thing he'd have redrawn because Stettin fell, is it? If so, perhaps a red lance angling from the center outward on the subshield instead of Stettin's crest, a sort of promise.

As a motto, something obvious. I know zilch for German, but a freebie translator gave me this:

Sie sollen nicht gehen (They shall not pass)

Or, slightly shorter:

Niemand soll gehen (None shall pass)

Or, shorter, cheesy-ish, and more cryptic:

Aus vielen, ein (Out of many, one; aka E Pluribus Unum)

[Zim]

The resized shield looks great, deguerra! Thanks!

[deguerra]

Aussie_giant this was my reply:

most definetely, on one condition: tell me how I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D

Ramses, the german is atrocious, but I can help with that. although frankly a latin motto would be more likely, so whats it to be? will work on the shield

edit: gibsons91921 (i always miss someone, somehow) the swords on the subshield, yeh?

[gibsonsg91921]

umm, put big swords behind the whole thing. scrap the crown too - i dont want to be the political presumptive titles guy ever since jan challenged me not too.

it will be like a shield plus the swords behind, optimally. i understand that wouldn't fit on a shield in battle, but the crown wouldn't either. if thats trickier than it sounds, what i have now is fine.

[deguerra]

ah I get it. No, shouldnt be a problem

[AussieGiant]

deguerra,

sorry I missed your reply.

Maybe something more aggressive using more black and red with just a dash of white.

He wears Night Black Obsidian Armour with a Blood Red Eagle inscribed into it on the chest plate...(well at least that's the visual I have, that could also be this Griffon thing you have put in the shield).

Something "vampire like" might just do the trick also...he uses that method to keep the Hungarian's in line...

that and lining their heads on pikes for a few hundred miles seems to have worked up until the Crisis.

[Ignoramus]

One standard Hapsburg coat of arms, please.

[deguerra]

ok Aussie_Giant, I kinda went nuts ...let me know what you think. christian characters may kill you on sight...I dunno if the dread factor is increased that much:

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ignoramus, just the habsburgs, nothing else, no house, no crown, nothing?

[AussieGiant]

ok Aussie_Giant, I kinda went nuts ...let me know what you think. christian characters may kill you on sight...I dunno if the dread factor is increased that much:

Mate you've got some outrageous skills...

The bat doesn't look right so that can be removed, but the fully black shield with those inscriptions behind are looking nice. What are they?

He's not the anti-Christ, so it can't be devil worship...although it seems some of you think I’m some Dark Lord of the Underworld that eats babies and slaughters innocents....it's all propaganda

I'm going to check out some stuff on Wiki and get back to you.

[deguerra]

the bat is intentionally crooked, or at least came like that off gogole search. i can recrify it if youd like that or remove it.

one symbols is the pentagram...that is what the pious knights will most likely kill you for. it can be a symbol of devil worship, but has so many other meanigns you could probably stand a chance in that heresy trial :P

the last is the "tripple goddess" symbol made up of three crescents, which i just stumbled upon on wikipedia and decided looked nicely evil.

so non-crooked bat or no bat?

[AussieGiant]

Gosh it's like working with one of my creative managers...

thanks deguerra!!

Ok so lets lose the bat.

Change the griffon to a menacing dragon...the pentagram should really go. The reason I say dragon is that I've been reading about the "Order of the Dragon" which not surprisingly involved the HRE, Austria, Ottoman's and other Baltic areas.

If signs are on the shield they need to really "hint" at something rather than slap everyone in the face.