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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    I hadn't realised that if I copied a CD to a computer I shared with my family, it makes me a pirate. I'd better take all the CDs out of the car, too, because sometimes the whole family listens to those, even though only I bought them. Three of them are young children, but hell, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be sued, does it?
    No, it does not. But first it's gonna hit you because you're illegally broadcasting intellectual property to a wider audience without paying any royalties to the artists. That's like illegally lending out a book for which only you bought the license to read it, to your wife. You wouldn't do that, would you?
    What's more, the possibility that someone gets access to those files while your machine is online makes you a pirate. (Iirc the possibility alone was an argument in a prior case)

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    No, it does not. But first it's gonna hit you because you're illegally broadcasting intellectual property to a wider audience without paying any royalties to the artists.
    This argument has already been made -- successfully. In the UK, a car mechanic shop was successfully sued because its mechanics were listening to a radio loud enough for customers to hear in the waiting area. This constitutes an "unlicensed performance." I'm not kidding.

    Here's the background on the case.

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    Indeed.
    Same with listening to your MP3 player too loud on a bus or what not.
    It counts unlicensed performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    This argument has already been made -- successfully. In the UK, a car mechanic shop was successfully sued because its mechanics were listening to a radio loud enough for customers to hear in the waiting area. This constitutes an "unlicensed performance." I'm not kidding.

    Here's the background on the case.
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    OMG, what's the next!?
    Are you sure you really want to know ? Among other things, probably something along these lines:

    (Note that these are all from the last 2-3 days...)

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...31/2129471.htm
    Australian gov't announces mandatory internet filters to protect children

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    Conroy announces mandatory internet filters to protect children

    Posted December 31, 2007 14:45:00
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    Senator Conroy says the Government will work with the industry to ensure the filters do not affect the speed of the internet [File photo].

    Senator Conroy says the Government will work with the industry to ensure the filters do not affect the speed of the internet [File photo]. (AAP: Alan Porritt)

    Telecommunications Minister Stephen Conroy says new measures are being put in place to provide greater protection to children from online pornography and violent websites.

    Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material.

    Online civil libertarians have warned the freedom of the internet is at stake, but Senator Conroy says that is nonsense.

    He says the scheme will better protect children from pornography and violent websites.

    "Labor makes no apologies to those that argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road," he said.

    "If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd-Labor Government is going to disagree."

    Senator Conroy says anyone wanting uncensored access to the internet will have to opt out of the service.

    He says the Government will work with the industry to ensure the filters do not affect the speed of the internet.

    "There are people who are going to make all sorts of statements about the impact on the [internet] speed," he said.

    "The internet hasn't ground to a halt in the UK, it hasn't ground to a halt in Scandinavian countries and it's not grinding the internet to a halt in Europe.

    "But that is why we are engaged constructively with the sector, engaging in trials to find a way to implement this in the best possible way and to work with the sector."

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    Japanese Government to Regulate Online Communication
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    With little fanfare from local or foreign media, the Japanese government made major moves this month toward legislating extensive regulation over online communication and information exchange within its national borders. In a series of little-publicized meetings attracting minimal mainstream coverage, two distinct government ministries, that of Internal Affairs and Communications (Somusho) and that of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (Monbukagakusho), pushed ahead with regulation in three major areas of online communication: web content, mobile phone access, and file sharing.
    Public comments about Internet content regulation (from blogger tokyodo-2005)
    Public comments about Internet content regulation (from blogger tokyodo-2005)

    On December 6th, in a final report compiled by a study group under the Somusho following up on an interim report drafted earlier this year, the government set down plans to regulate online content through unification of existing laws such as the Broadcast Law and the Telecommunications Business Law [1,2]. The planned regulation targets all web content, including online variants of traditional media such as newspaper articles and television broadcasting, while additionally going as far as to cover user-generated content such as blogs and webpages under the vaguely-defined category of "open communication" [3,4,5,6].

    Only days following the release of the Dec. 6 report, again through the Somusho, the government on Dec. 10th requested that mobile phone companies NTT Docomo, KDDI, Softbank and Willcom commence strictly filtering web content to mobile phones for users under the age of 18 [7,8,9,10]. The move to filter content in this area comes at a time when the Japanese market has become saturated with mobile phones, a growing proportion of which are held by high-school and even grade-school students. The proposed policy, in part responding to fears and anxieties expressed by parents about online dating sites, is broad in scope and reportedly covers all websites with forum, chat, and social networking functionality.

    Regulation of a third area of online communication, that of online file sharing, was meanwhile advanced through the Private Music and Video Recording Subcommittee of Japan's Agency for Cultural Affairs (under the Mobukagakusho) in a meeting held on December 18th. Authorities and organizations pushed in this case for a ban on the download of copyrighted content for personal use, a category of file transfer previously permitted under Article 30 of Japan's Copyright Law [11,12,13,14].

    The final report on Internet regulation released on December 6th, and the meetings about mobile phone regulation and copyright policy held on December 10th and 18th, collectively touch on nearly every aspect of modern network communication in Japan and together indicate a significant shift in government policy vis-a-vis the Japanese cyberspace. While granted little attention in mainstream media, a series of Japanese-language articles, government reports, and blog entries on the topic together sketch basic details of the proposed regulations. The main points of these documents are summarized below, with references to resources offering more in-depth discussion included at the end of the article.
    Step 1: Web content

    Plans for regulation of web content are summarized in two primary documents drawn up by the “Study group on the legal system for communications and broadcasting” under the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications (Somusho) and headed by Professor Emeritus at Hitotsubashi University Horibe Masao. The first document is an interim report released on June 19th, setting down basic guidelines for regulating web content through application of the existing Broadcast Law to the sphere of the Internet [1,4]. Incorporating the views of a reported 276 comments from 222 individuals and 56 organizations collected shortly after publication of the interim report, the final report, made public on December 6th, sets down steps to move ahead and submit a bill on the proposed regulations to the regular diet session in 2010 [2,5,6].

    One of the key points of both reports is their emphasis on the blurring line between "information transmission" and "broadcasting", a distinction that becomes less and less meaningful as content-transfer shifts from the realm of traditional media to that of ubiquitous digital communication (so-called "all over IP"). The reports deal with this difficult problem in part through the creation of a new category, that of "open communication", broadly described as covering "communication content having openness [kouzensei/公然性] such as homepages and so on" [3].

    The term "open communication" may itself be vaguely defined, but implications of the new category are in fact very real. While previously largely excluded from government regulation thanks to the limited scope of existing broadcast legislation, all online content, with the exception only of private messages used only between specific persons (i.e. email, etc.), will henceforth be targeted under the proposed policy. Notably included in this category are hugely popular bulletin board systems such as 2channel as well as personal blogs and webpages.

    Online content judged to be "harmful" according to standards set down by an independent body (specifics of which are unclear) will be subject to law-enforced removal and/or correction. While the interim report did not specify whether penal regulations would be enforced against policy violations, the final report, in response to concerns voiced in public comments over the summer, moved toward excluding such regulations for the time being at least. Nonetheless, the final report also notes that, if there is a need for it, the "adequacy of punishment should also be investigated" (page 22 of the final report) [5]. It thus remains an open question as to whether, if eventually enacted, penal regulations will be applied and, if so, what form they will take.
    Step 2: Mobile phone access

    As the number of elementary and high-school students with mobile phones in Japan has ballooned to over 7.5 million, the push for protecting young users from potentially dangerous content, such as online dating services and so-called "mobile filth", has gained momentum in recent years within Japan. The government responded to such concerns on December 10th by demanding that mobile carriers NTT Docomo, KDDI, Softbank, and Willcom implement filtering on all mobile phones issued to users under the age of 18. While optional filtering currently exists and can be implemented at the request of the mobile phone owner, few users make use of or even know of this service. The proposed regulation would heavily strengthen earlier policy by making filtering on mobile phones the default setting for minors; only in the case of an explicit request by the user's parent or guardian could such filtering be turned off by the carrier [7,8,9].

    According to the new policy proposal, sites would be categorized on two lists, a "blacklist" of sites that would be blocked from mobile access by minors and a "whitelist" of sites that would not. The categorization of sites into each list will reportedly be carried out together with carriers through investigations involving each company targeted. The Telecommunications Carriers Association (TCA) of Japan is indicating that the new policy will be enforced with respect to new users by the end of 2007 and applied to existing users by the summer of 2008 [8].

    While it is not yet entirely clear what content will be covered by the new policy, a look at existing filtering services promoted by NTT Docomo reveals the definition of "harmful" content to be very broad indeed. As noted by a number of Japanese bloggers, notably social activist Sakiyama Nobuo, current optional filtering services offered on NTT Docomo phones include categories as sweeping as "lifestyles" (gay, lesbian, etc.), "religion", and "political activity/party", as well as a category termed "communication" covering web forums, chat rooms, bulletin boards, and social networking services. The breadth of this last category in particular threatens to bankrupt youth-oriented services such as "Mobage", a social networking and gaming site for mobile phones, half of whose users are under the age of 18.
    Step 3: File sharing

    While the cases of Internet regulation and mobile phone filtering primarily revolve on concerns over content, the third government policy proposal advanced this month in the domain of online communication targets the area of content transfer. On December 18th, the Private Music and Video Recording Subcommittee of Japan's Agency for Cultural Affairs, an advisory body under the Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science, and Technology (Monbukagakusho), held a meeting to re-examine Article 30 of Japan's Copyright Law. With respect to online file transfer, the existing law currently bans uploading of copyrighted material onto public websites, while permitting copies for personal use only [12,13,14].

    At the December 18th meeting, Kawase Makoto, general manager of the agency's Copyrighted Work Circulation Promotion Department, remarked that revising article 30 was "inevitable" [11]. Kawase's comment came less than a month after the same agency received more than 7500 public comments on the topic of the plans, the majority of which reportedly opposed any change to the current Copyright Law [15,16,17]. Haeno Hidetoshi , senior director of the Recording Industry Association of Japan, meanwhile described the state of the recording industry as "spine-chilling", arguing that if illegal file sharing was not stopped the business would hit a dead end [12].

    IT and music journalist Tsuda Daisuke on the other hand argued that he did not see any need for legal revision, observing that if users uploading copyrighted files are controlled, then there should be no need to outlaw illegal downloads or file sharing. In an earlier Nov. 28th meeting, addressing the divide in opions among public comments about the regulation, Tsuda noted that results evidenced a "deep gap" between the views of copyright holders and those of consumers. He further warned that to ignore the views of those opposing revision, and to not attempt to understand their arguments, would be to invite further deepening of this gap [16,17].

    One of the key issues raised by opponents of the proposed revisions regards the murky definition of "download" itself. Critics argue that a user cannot determine whether a file is illegal before they actually download it, and even once the file is downloaded, such identification remains difficult. Moreover, it is difficult for users to judge whether, at the time of downloading a file, the site from which the file was downloaded was itself illegal or not. While proponents of the legal revision have argued in favour of a "mark" to identify approved sites, this approach brings with it many new problems; most critically, it would mean that every site not bearing the approved mark would be considered "illegal", a blanket policy many consider extreme [17].

    The murkiness of the definition of "illegal" file sharing also manifests itself in the difficulties legislators will potentially face in distinguishing between "downloading" and "streaming", difficulties which some argue may ultimately lead to the regulation of sites such as YouTube and Nico Nico Douga. As there is no fundamental difference between downloaded content and streamed content, given that in both cases content is copied locally before viewing, commenters expressed anxiety about how judges with no specialized knowledge will handle this murky middle ground.
    The future of "open"

    The various problems evident in the regulation policies described above are compacted by the fact that there is a lack of coordination between branches of government, the first two proposals being handled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications while the last is being handled by the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology. Without a coordinated approach to regulation, legal conflicts inherent in the switch to "all over IP" are guaranteed to arise.

    Even with such a coordinated approach, however, policy remains ill-defined and extremely vague. The future of online communication within Japan hinges on attracting attention to these issues and on drawing as wide a range of voices into the debate as possible. While current activism by groups within Japan such as the recently formed Movements for Internet Active Users (MIAU) have made important first steps in this direction, international attention is needed to coordinate support and confront the many pressing issues facing open communication in the Japanese cyberspace.
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    Bastards, plain and simple bastards.
    And what is worse is that it doesn't matter if it's illegal or legal in the country that you live, they will demand that you get shipped to the US to stand trial.
    You mean it's a free ticket to the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    This argument has already been made -- successfully. In the UK, a car mechanic shop was successfully sued because its mechanics were listening to a radio loud enough for customers to hear in the waiting area. This constitutes an "unlicensed performance." I'm not kidding.

    Here's the background on the case.
    Hold up. This is BRILLIANT news. So, next time a small penised teenager driving some crappy little hatchback which he has "customised" with 30 lbs of the finest fibreglass drives past me with 200 decibles of hip hop blaring out, the performing rights society is going to sue his pimply backside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar
    You mean it's a free ticket to the US?
    *sets up dozens of filesharing programs*
    Do you really wanna spend time in a american prison ??

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    Gentlemen, we have found the silver lining to this cloud.
    Well I'm glad you find this hilarious.

    On a side note, does that make iTunes and whatever Zune uses illegal?
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    Well, radio stations do pay fees for broadcasting, so should internet radio stations. What I've been wondering about though is the recording from radio and TV, it's offered pretty much everywhere and it's been technically possible for years and noone really pays a thing.
    Under Australian fair use laws (brought into line with the US after the FTA, so I presume it's the same there), you're supposed to delete a recording after watching it once.

    Yeah, right - I'd love to see them enforce that

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...31/2129471.htm
    Australian gov't announces mandatory internet filters to protect children
    Yeah, I heard about that. I hope they don't notice that the person sending an email to have it immediately disabled if it's ever actually introduced (me) isn't actually the owner of the connection

    Bastards, plain and simple bastards.
    And what is worse is that it doesn't matter if it's illegal or legal in the country that you live, they will demand that you get shipped to the US to stand trial.
    I've more faith in my government than that (I hope!!). Allowing extradition for file sharing would cross the line imho - citizens do/should have rights

    ...although there is actually a bad precedent in that the leader of a warez ring was extradited to the US to face charges, from Australia, after they'd established a case against him and others
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    This argument has already been made -- successfully. In the UK, a car mechanic shop was successfully sued because its mechanics were listening to a radio loud enough for customers to hear in the waiting area. This constitutes an "unlicensed performance." I'm not kidding.

    Here's the background on the case.
    I can't find anything to tell me that this suit was successful, just that it passed the first legal hurdle in October. Since these things take ages I suspect that the matter is still before the courts. Your link says:

    "Kwik-Fit asked the court to dismiss the suit at a procedural hearing last week, citing its official, anti-radio policy. The judge refused to dismiss the £200,000 claim, however, saying that there was at least enough evidence such that the case should be heard. He made clear, however, that his allowance of the suit did not necessarily mean that he felt the PRS would succeed."

    In any case, the suit is not about playing music too loud; it is about using music to enhance your customers' experience of the business. If this gives you a competive edge you could argue that those who performed the music should get some of the extra profit. This is not the same as a private individual copying legally purchased CDs on to a computer or an MP3 player.
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    And what is worse is that it doesn't matter if it's illegal or legal in the country that you live, they will demand that you get shipped to the US to stand trial.
    Try it!
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    Try it!
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    In any case, the suit is not about playing music too loud; it is about using music to enhance your customers' experience of the business. If this gives you a competive edge you could argue that those who performed the music should get some of the extra profit.
    Somewhat true. But the way that radio ratings are being counted is changing. The Portable People Meter (PPM) reads what frequencies a user encounters. So a store playing it has higher ratings and thus more ad revenue. So they do make more money from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    Well watch it, they are armed with the most terrifying weapon of all time.
    Artists like Britney Spears. If you don't go peacefully they will sing outside your door.
    You do know Canada has Celine Dion, don't you? Not to mention Bryan Adams. Any attempt to attack Canada by way of buttock clenchingly awful popular music artistes will be met with overwhelming retaliation in kind.

    Well I'm glad you find this hilarious.
    @crossLOPER: You DON'T find the idea of a copyright association suing car mechanics for listening to the radio in customers earshot a teeny tiny bit hilarious?
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    Its so funny how people love and nurture predator dominant capitalism...talk about being brainwashed...
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    So why has no one ever been sued for lending or reselling books?

    Why you could slap a law suet on every government from cities on up couldn’t you.

    Why wasn’t the same fuss made about lending vinyl albums or even tapes?

    Just what makes the intellectual property of Microsoft or the new media used for recordings more valuable?

    Come to think of it why hasn’t Parker Brothers gone into schools to root out all those pirates playing Battleship on scraps of paper?

    Wait for the roadblocks to have your I-Pod inspected.

    No one wants to injure the Authors and Artists behind the material but you know I am getting pretty sick of the predatory tactics of the big companies pushing the media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
    Why wasn’t the same fuss made about lending vinyl albums or even tapes?
    because while tape and vinyl copying has been around for years the second it started being done digitally it became an EVIL on the same level as Hitler or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
    So why has no one ever been sued for lending or reselling books?

    Why you could slap a law suet on every government from cities on up couldn’t you.

    Why wasn’t the same fuss made about lending vinyl albums or even tapes?

    Just what makes the intellectual property of Microsoft or the new media used for recordings more valuable?

    Come to think of it why hasn’t Parker Brothers gone into schools to root out all those pirates playing Battleship on scraps of paper?

    Wait for the roadblocks to have your I-Pod inspected.

    No one wants to injure the Authors and Artists behind the material but you know I am getting pretty sick of the predatory tactics of the big companies pushing the media.
    Far from me to try and speak in favour of the labels, but I believe some of their reasons are:

    - scale of distribution: to how many friends could you lend your vinyl/book/game? 10 ? 20 ? 100 ? And only _one at any given moment_.
    Whereas with the advance of the internet, and the increased availability of broadband, I can instantly share ALL my vinyls/books/games with (theoretically) an unlimited number of people.

    - they believe they can control/censor the new medium of distribution (the internet) - see the laws they have been, and are, lobbying for.

    - finally, it's also a matter of popularity - the "in your face" attitude of TPB doesn't help much... and if everybody sees that you can get away with getting the stuff (music, video, games, you name it) without paying, and if this makes the news every week, well, eventually everybody will be aware that "there's another way" (besides paying unjustifiably high prices anymore) and so many people will do it, that the labels fear extinction...

    Of course none of these justify anything they are doing.
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    New borns ??
    Anyway, I'm not surprised.
    They lost the war a long time ago and this just shows that the end is near for them.
    Oops, sorry I'm late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    This argument has already been made -- successfully. In the UK, a car mechanic shop was successfully sued because its mechanics were listening to a radio loud enough for customers to hear in the waiting area. This constitutes an "unlicensed performance." I'm not kidding.
    Yes, I know. I'm not making things up.
    EA is off the hook (for now) though because he only gives a private presentation of his CD's.

    BTW, here's the new report about the state of privacy worldwide:
    http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597 (Gah! Already posted in another thread)
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    Financial types are starting to notice the music labels' self-destructive behavior. Maybe if they suffer huge share price drops, they'll get bought out by someone sane? Here's hoping.

    A good sign of a dying industry that investors might want to avoid is when it would rather litigate than innovate, signaling a potential destroyer of value. If it starts to pursue paying customers -- which doesn't seem that outlandish at this point -- then I guess we'll all know the extent of the desperation. Investor, beware.

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    We can all continue to get ourselves worked into a tizzy, or we can stop and ask ourselves what can we really do.

    1) Boycott all products by Sony Group, BMG, Time Warner, Viviendi and EMI. That's not going to be easy. Time Warner may mean you have to change your cable subscriber, or switch to Satellite. Viviendi means no more CBS television, and a whole host of other cable channels. And I don't want to hear any whining from people about the RIAA if they own a Playstation 3.

    2) Boycott all musicians that are signed by a label owned by one of the big 5 above. Go to their webpage and leave them a note explaining your decision not to listen to their prodcut because they work for a organization bent on your financial and legal ruin.

    3) Write to Apple, Microsoft and other MP3 player manufactures. Explain to them that you are very, very hesistant to consider any future purchases of their products, as well as any portable DVD players, etcetera, because of the position of the RIAA that merely transferring a song to your MP3 player from a CD you purchased was copyright violation, and you don't consider I-Store or Amazon ONLY as a suitable investment.

    Then..... *crickets chirping*....

    Seriously folks, a big part of the problem is lack of feedback in the system. Because they think they've shielded their identity behind their label, which is owned by a corporation and is represented by the RIAA, most so-called artists think that they're immune from the negative publicity. Explain to your favorite performers that because they support and in turn are supported by a legally-questionable and ethically-challenged industrial trade support group, you won't support them. When enough people tell Gwen Stefani that she's a corporate shill and a gold-digger and has lost her 'street-cred', she'll bitch. When the 'talent' stops playing along, the 'middlemen' will have to change their tune. *


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    Thank God for radio.


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    Seems as though the record labels are clueing in to some of what gets their customers angry. Sony/BMG has finally joined the herd, and will be dropping DRM from their non-Apple online retailers.

    The only thing the labels can agree on: We hates us some Apple, yes we does.

    In a move that would mark the end of a digital music era, Sony BMG Music Entertainment is finalizing plans to sell songs without the copyright protection software that has long restricted the use of music downloaded from the Internet, BusinessWeek.com has learned. Sony BMG, a joint venture of Sony (SNE) and Bertelsmann, will make at least part of its collection available without so-called digital rights management, or DRM, software some time in the first quarter, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Sony BMG would become the last of the top four music labels to drop DRM, following Warner Music Group (WMG), which in late December said it would sell DRM-free songs through Amazon.com's (AMZN) digital music store. EMI and Vivendi's Universal Music Group announced their plans for DRM-free downloads earlier in 2007.

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    If Sony is finally doing it, there really must be a change in the air. Drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century, I'm sure. I wonder what this means for Apple's FairPlay scheme. Jobs has said the only reason they have DRM is because the labels force them to have it. Time to see if this is true, or if Apple really is using FairPlay as a lock-in.

    It would be nice to get straight AAC files from iTunes (on all music). Got me a iPod Nano for Christmas, and am loading it with mp3s (apparently "pirated" ) ripped from my CD collection. I'm not going to pay for FairPlay, but will buy if they change their rules.

    As an aside, Microsoft must be furious. All the effort spent putting DRM and DRM protection into the Zune and Vista, slowly being made obsolete. Defective by design.
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    I guess I'm not certain what "FairPlay" is. I've bought tunes off of the I-Store, is that what you mean, Drone?

    As for dropping DRM on all content providers except Apple, isn't that a bit of an anti-competition violation? I didn't think you could favor some of your distributors over others.
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    FairPlay is the Apple-only DRM included in most iTunes purchases. It's true, if Apple had not included a DRM scheme, they could never have gotten the labels to sign on, so in this Jobs is not lying. However it has also locked customers into using iPods, a side-effect the labels could have foreseen if they weren't a bunch of technophobic idiots with their heads firmly planted in their hindquarters.

    AAC is the audio layer of MPEG-4, where MP3 is the audio layer of MPEG-1. Both should play fine on any relatively recent audio player.

    Oh, and drone, Apple has been selling high-bitrate DRM-free tracks for months. EMI is the only label that agreed to do it in iTunes. Now that Apple has a dominant market position for handheld audio, I don't think they would mind dropping the golden handcuffs known as FairPlay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    I guess I'm not certain what "FairPlay" is. I've bought tunes off of the I-Store, is that what you mean, Drone?
    FairPlay is the iTunes DRM mechanism. It's kind of a wrapper around the AAC files and keeps track of the restrictions Apple puts on the music it sells. You can get some tracks (EMI?) without it already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    As for dropping DRM on all content providers except Apple, isn't that a bit of an anti-competition violation? I didn't think you could favor some of your distributors over others.
    You would think so. Nothing would surprise me in this business though.

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    I downloaded an album from EMI yesterday and it consisted entirely of 320kb/s MP3 files. The only weird thing was that it offered me 13 files from what I thought was a 14-song album, will have to check that.
    Was my first online music purchase and only bothered because it was DRM-free.


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