And the Jackboots are Now On

[Xiahou]

Errrrrrr...from the articletwo deputies were first sent to notify Shiflett of a court order for his son's medical treatment and that Shiflett did not comply.
damn , words can be hard to read sometimes when they are so well hidden in plain view

I meant to serve the warrant.. As long you're enjoying yourself, it's all good though.

[Papewaio]

Lets see, paramedics say they were threatened, the social workers say they were threatened and that they legally (you know the laws that you voted in as a democratic nation) states that they have to source a court order if they believe a child was being abused, the deputies were ignored... so it seems it went through every escalation point possible.

Now lets review the facts. So far the only thing we know is that the son has a badly bruised eye. Now the circumstances to me seem strange: "Jon injured himself by grabbing onto the handle of a moving car his sister was driving and falling. Shiflett and his family said Shiflett ran down the street, checked Jon for injuries and brought him back into their home, where they prayed, applied ice to his head and monitored his condition."

I'd like to see if there were any eye witnesses to that event for confirmation. I'd expect a lot of grazing on the limbs as well as the bruised eye. Maybe there is and the article doesn't list the full context. But there is a fairly large chance that either the reason for him running for the car or that it wasn't a car door or house door or any other inanimate object that caused the problem. If this is in fact damage done by child abuse what chain of events would you expect adhered to to resolve this issue?

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Now assuming everything was right and the kid had a stupid accident as kids are wont to do. Parents will get upset and agitated when their kids are injured. Medics and social workers should understand that and look to the parents concerns on this too. After all the parents should be aided not obstructed in raising their children. And boys in particular tend to learn from one thing only ... pain.

[FactionHeir]

Asked what he thought of being taken for medical treatment after the break-in, Jon said, "I think it's ridiculous. There's no reason for it."

I think that summarizes it.

[Peasant Phill]

"Shiflett shouted at this worker and advised this worker that if he obtained a court order, he better 'bring an army,'" the warrant states.

He can't complain, he asked for it.

Now seriously, you can argue that the state doesn't have the right to invade someones privacy like that and potentially cause more damage than there originally was. However, like it has been mentioned before, it was the court who ordered that the child be brought to a doctor. Denying the courts the power to make decisions based on laws is renouncing the American (and most other) governmental system entirely. Apparently the man would rather live in an anarchy.
I agree that the SWAT team was probably excessive but may not have been entirely unwarranted.

On a side note, who would decline his child a free medical examination? and after that a mandatory (free) medical examination? Or this man is really stubborn, or ...

[Tribesman]

So the father says that he gets violent , the police say that he gets violent .
So no dispute there , it would suggest that reasonable precautions may be needed in serving the court order just like what happened .
The police call to his trailer , no luck , the police swat team call to his trailer , no luck , so they break the door down ...OMG its like Russia though of course the wife is today comparing the police actions with Nazis so perhaps the outrage factor is being upped .

Now I could understand people getting outraged at this , if perhaps they had carted off the daughter and charged her with causing injury through driving without due care and attention , but outrage over the actual police action ....bollox .

[Proletariat]

We should send in the SWAT teams when we see negligent parents taking a night off from cooking a home made meal and ordering Papa John's or going to McDonald's to feed their children!

[Odin]

We should send in the SWAT teams when we see negligent parents taking a night off from cooking a home made meal and ordering Papa John's or going to McDonald's to feed their children!

haha thats not half bad.

Tribes has a point that there seems to be evidence of the father being a loose cannon and like it or not if there is an inclination of abuse the authorities have to investigate. I dont condone the method used, the swat team etc but I'd rather have a broken door, a hurt ego, then another neglect/dead child story.

However I am troubled by the trend toward disregard of civil liberties and the ability to live ones life on thier own terms. This story presents a lot of conflicts, Im not real sure which way to go on it.