Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
I think there're two main reasons or applications for connections with high bandwith: p2p and VoIP. I agree with HoreTore that if p2p would be declared illegal and suppressed by ISP's then a lot of people would cancel their contract and go for a cheaper line. Even though VoIP is on the rise, p2p is still the main traffic on the web.
How about high resolution videos and legal downloads? I download demos for example and while a 56k connection could do it with a flatrate, it would take quite some time to finish if the demo is 2GB for example, I prefer to pay a bit more for my 6MBit line which downloads the demos quite a bit faster.
I also like to watch high-res videos from GameTrailers and they seeme to just about use my full bandwith, the cahing bar is usually just a little bit faster than the video plays so a good connection is useful for that. For the rest of the day I use it mostly to play, browse, chat or listen to internet radio which means it's hardly used to full extent, yet I think the 4EUR I pay for the bandwidth alone are not too much.

Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
What I don't get is Husar's point that when I actually use the connection as I pay for (600K/bit flatrate) it is bad for the ISP's. There's no restriction on the amount of data I can transmit. If it would be a problem for the ISP's when everybody used his connection to max then they would be wrong to sell the connections. If they have to expand their carrier net, they need to do that.
No, no and no.
I know for example that T-Online threw some people out a few years ago for using up their whole bandwidth all day long, I'm not saying I agree with it, I was just saying they do that. And noone can force them to expand anything as you pay for a maximum amount of bandwidth, if you get less out of it then that's your problem, if you want a bandwidth guarantee you have to pay more, like companies do, they pay a few hundred bucks per month extra to reserve a certain bandwidth which guarantees them that bandwidth because for them it's vital to have that guarantee. This guarantee does not exist for the normal home user however.

Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
They have to anyway, unless we want to stop the internet evolution right now. I'm aware that in some countries the Internet is still sold by the Mbyte or GB but if I buy a flatrate I want a flatrate, meaning no restrictions on volume of data.
That's how I see it but then until lately some ISPs seemed to disagree.
This article is in German and from 2006 but although I haven't read it, it seems to adress the issue.

Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Imagine for example I wanted to help spread linux distros by torrent. I could run my torrent client with max upload 24/7 and not break any points of the contract.
I don't think your tiny upload speed bothers them as it's just a fraction of your maximum download speed unless you pay them a fortune anyway, at least as far as I'm aware.

Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
BTW, cutting a DSL connection every 24 hours is completely normal and has nothing to do with the bandwidth you're using.
No it doesn't but it's also not normal, if you have a flatrate it's not like they're saving you any costs, in fact they break all your current connections which I wouldn't call normal at all. they just do it hoping that you won't be connected all day long if they do that.