Out of character thread XIX

**deguerra** · 01-16-2008, 23:09

ah, thanks FH!

*runs to the walls of Bruges, shouting at the French forces, miles away by now: "Yeah you'd better run you silly French knnnnnniggets. I wipe my nose in your general direction. Your father was a hamster, and your mother smelled of elderberries. We Flemish Swabians sure showed you" He is dragged away by embarrased town guards*

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**AussieGiant** · 01-16-2008, 23:22

Hi all,

Ok there is just one defensive attack. And guess what, the avatar lead French stack is attacking von Salza with the 1st SHA as reinforcements.

Warluster you're up, the save and instructions are in the orders thread as usual.

deguerra,

don't count your chickens just yet fella. It might not be that way for long.

**deguerra** · 01-16-2008, 23:25

I know

But those sinful vile French heretic scum (they are excommunicted again, right?) will break on the walls of my fair town and be scewered on the points of Flemish pike as they have before!

**AussieGiant** · 01-16-2008, 23:25

HOLD on the save. I need to add money!!

FH caught me just in time. New Save will go up in 10!!

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done and good night.

**Warluster** · 01-17-2008, 05:56

Sorry can't fight it. Either deguerra or FH are going to have to fight it for me. I will post my situation in Acive Duty thread. Still don't have 1.2 (And won't for a while)

**deguerra** · 01-17-2008, 06:51

I am capable of fighting it, but would prefer FH to do it, if he's up for it. I'm no M2TW veteran, and this seems like a very important battle for Swabia. On that note, if its FH that plays and he fails, I vote to excommunicate him

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**econ21** · 01-17-2008, 10:04

Sorry - no proxying, AussieGiant should autoresolve the battle and move on to the next turn.

If players are on reserve duty, they should inform the Chancellor in advance and he will try to keep them out of danger. Warluster did not do that - he mentioned difficulties in the OOC thread last week, but then reported that they were being solved and did not update the active duty list. He also turned down both AussieGiant's and my suggestions for "safe" moves for von Salza this turn. I had a PM exchange with Factionheir in which I questioned whether Warluster could pull off the high risk move that von Salza has taken, but Factionheir went ahead and ordered it anyway.

I am loathe to have other players act as subs for army commanders. We allowed that with AussieGiant in the past because he contributed a lot to the role-playing without an avatar for months and then, when he finally got an avatar, had to go away on business for months. However, even then I felt uneasy about his avatar accumulating vast amounts of battle traits based in part on other players fighting the battles. At the time, we did not have many (any?) other Austrian avatars, so it was pretty much a necessity in game terms and not such a big deal OOC. But it does not seem right that we have players who can fight kicking their heels while players who can't fight have their avatars pick up the traits and players who may have armies and battles of their own also fight other people's battles.

Keeping the close bond between the avatar and the player adds a lot to the role-playing of the game, increases the challenge for the Reich and helps share out the battles to available players. I would only offer the deal we offered AussieGiant to another player reluctantly - much better, I think, to have their avatar find a replacement army commander, move to a safer spot and do some civic work governing a city. If you want to get lots of battle traits, fight the battles. I am not inclined to offer it just because a player doesn't install 1.2.

**FactionHeir** · 01-17-2008, 10:21

Originally Posted by econ21

Sorry - no proxying, AussieGiant should autoresolve the battle and move on to the next turn.

If players are on reserve duty, they should inform the Chancellor in advance and he will try to keep them out of danger. Warluster did not do that - he mentioned difficulties in the OOC thread last week, but then reported that they were being solved and did not update the active duty list. He also turned down both AussieGiant's and my suggestions for "safe" moves for von Salza this turn. I had a PM exchange with Factionheir in which I questioned whether Warluster could pull off the high risk move that von Salza has taken, but Factionheir went ahead and ordered it anyway.

I am loathe to have other players act as subs for army commanders. We allowed that with AussieGiant in the past because he contributed a lot to the role-playing without an avatar for months and then, when he finally got an avatar, had to go away on business for months. However, even then I felt uneasy about his avatar accumulating vast amounts of battle traits based in part on other players fighting the battles. At the time, we did not have many (any?) other Austrian avatars, so it was pretty much a necessity in game terms and not such a big deal OOC. But it does not seem right that we have players who can fight kicking their heels while players who can't fight have their avatars pick up the traits and players who may have armies and battles of their own also fight other people's battles.

Keeping the close bond between the avatar and the player adds a lot to the role-playing of the game, increases the challenge for the Reich and helps share out the battles to available players. I would only offer the deal we offered AussieGiant to another player reluctantly - much better, I think, to have their avatar find a replacement army commander, move to a safer spot and do some civic work governing a city. If you want to get lots of battle traits, fight the battles. I am not inclined to offer it just because a player doesn't install 1.2.

Placeholder reply. Need to catch a train first.