Out of character thread XIX

[StoneCold]

Also I believe the cancellation of a crusade will just result in a cancel mission and thus not a successful mission. So you won't gain any good traits or rewards from the pope.

[Ramses II CP]

That was my question actually. If it's a cancellation, we should clearly wait, as, if nothing else, stories of the prestige gained from the crusade would be much more interesting. I can't test it until tonight.

[econ21]

Also I believe the cancellation of a crusade will just result in a cancel mission and thus not a successful mission. So you won't gain any good traits or rewards from the pope.

That's the point I was trying to make. However, just looking at the save, I am not sure the issue is relevant to us right now. It looks like de Cervole is not able to take Caen this turn, but Ruppel could take Angiers next turn. So, we should be able to successfully complete the crusade before taking down the French king.

The issue would be relevant if we want to wait longer to complete the crusade. However, with the absence of crusading mercs, I am not sure what the benefit of delay would be. Perhaps if GH wants Ruppel to wait for him to arrive at Angiers, so his avatar can go down the chivalrous path? I certainly would like Welf to be in on the storming of Angiers.

btw... Wouldn't it be better to open a new Battle report thread ? With the number of screens in it, it takes forever to open... Which sometimes acts for me as a deterrent to edit my posts...

I am not sure opening a new thread would solve much. I think it is the number of images per page that causes the big delay in opening it. We should try to keep the number of images per page down, perhaps by splitting up battle reports into multiple posts. The default 30 posts per page. If we have 30 battles with lots of screenshots per page, it will create a lot of slowdown. 10 battles, each in three parts, per page would be more managebale.

[FactionHeir]

The only mercs available in the current period are pilgrims and flagellants I think, and the occassional fanatic and unhorsed knight over at Outremer. Crusading isn't what it used to be.

Hopefully Ramses will have arranged the save that Ruppel is siegeing Angers rather than standing next to it so we can complete it next turn with Tristan and econ in my stack if Ruppel isn't driven off by the bronze and silver stack there. His army is already heavily battered and half his army is pilgrims and militia.

[econ21]

I realise I forgot to try to teleport the Danish general, sorry. However, I gather he is a Prince, which makes it rather tricky. I think we need to know his original (pre-Prince) name before the console command will work. It may be rather painstaking to dig back into past saves and use spies to uncover that info. Perhaps we could leave him for a turn or two? (I'll be buffing up armies next turn so will have a try then.)

[Ramses II CP]

As far as I know he came into being as a Prince. The first time I remember seeing him is when our spy was near Stockholm and the Danes had just been topped up with troops. A captain stack that came out of Stockholm got a noble added to it, and it was Stenkil (Say... 1352?).

I'm happy to run around him and go smash Stockholm, but it seems rather silly for him to just sit there. Maybe I can tempt him out with some militia troops.

[Ramses II CP]

Okay, I've tested it and killing the King does not instantly bring the crusade to a halt. However with the current save even if Tristan joins the crusade and marches to the walls of Caen (Requires ganking Welf's cavalry, which wouldn't help him any), the spy can't open the gates, so it'll be next season before the assault can be launched anyway.

I believe I can get Welf close enough to reach Anger next season by leaving behind the bombard, two companies of militia spearmen, and one company of mounted crossbows. Seems like it's worth it to me. Can't guarantee Welf won't get hit by some French though. I may use a fort to hold some of the men there.

I'm going to disband the mercs from the plague captain's army so they can be re-recruited next season. It's pointless to have them hanging around like that. The militia troops too. The rest will hang around the Rheims/Antwerp region to be irritating to the French.

Hermann Steffen needs Count Erlach's cavalry, or Count Erlach needs to join the crusade to get Hermann in. I'm assuming TC may want some of Erlach's men for the assault on Genoa, so my preference, unless Erlach shows up with an opinion, is to just send the two companies of cavalry. That'll make it difficult for Hermann to hold the bridge, but I think Genoa is more important.

Anyone else wanting in on the crusade? Anyone have something to say about this course? Plenty of time left in the offensive season, just make yourself heard.

I'd like to hear from EF about the Poles vs Stettin bit again. You're ignoring the siege, but are you going to let that army to your west go and march north for the Russians?

[TinCow]

Hermann Steffen needs Count Erlach's cavalry, or Count Erlach needs to join the crusade to get Hermann in. I'm assuming TC may want some of Erlach's men for the assault on Genoa, so my preference, unless Erlach shows up with an opinion, is to just send the two companies of cavalry. That'll make it difficult for Hermann to hold the bridge, but I think Genoa is more important.

I only glanced at Erlach's army when I was playing the save, but Lothar's is pretty decent. The only thing extra I would ask for would be some more infantry, particularly heavy infantry. Given that Lothar's army is only 2 slots from the max, you could easily give all of Erlach's army, minus two units, to Hermann. One of those two units could even be Erlach himself, since I'm almost positive that Stuperman would want Erlach to be present when Genoa is retaken. It is his County, after all. If he were around now, I would give him priority in fighting it.

[Northnovas]

This Zirn has no interest in the Crusade west. However, I may take a run at the Hungarians. A little gun shy right now and it involves another avatar. Have till Friday to decide; will advise.

[econ21]

Okay, I've tested it and killing the King does not instantly bring the crusade to a halt.

OK, not instantly - that's good to know. But what happens next turn?

Tristan's killed the King and we don't have a bombard to take Angers. If the spy fails to open the gates this turn, is the crusade scuppered or do we have more time?

This question is addressed to anyone, not just Ramses. I can test it tonight to get an answer if no one provides one before then.

[_Tristan_]

Doesn't the "teleport" thing work with "this" instead of the character's full name ? Like it does for traits and retinues...

[econ21]

Doesn't the "teleport" thing work with "this" instead of the character's full name ? Like it does for traits and retinues...

You mean try a command:

move_character this 199,200

It's worth a try - I'll have a look at it tonight (or anyone else can do it before then).

[_Tristan_]

You mean try a command:

move_character this 199,200

It's worth a try - I'll have a look at it tonight (or anyone else can do it before then).

Exactly what I meant... It should work... I'll give it a try...

[EDIT] Ok, that doesn't work... One, I think you need to have control of the faction to be able to select the character you want to teleport... Second even for HRE characters this doesn't work as a substitute for the name in the move_character cheat...

I hope someone can prove me wrong... FH ?Any idea ?

Oh, and the battle report for Antwerp has been updated with pics here