Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Sarathos]

From all the evidence before and his actions now, I'm going to have to Vote:Louis

And Select:Sasaki

[KukriKhan]

Seamus had confirmed this when we asked earlier. We are able to kill the Director. If only 1 person is selected then the Director cannot ignore the mandate, regardless of what they want.

OK, then... nevermind. :)

Still it seems incongruent that the Director could disregard a multi-lynch mandate, but not a single-lynch one. Should be one hella dramatic write-up.

[GeneralHankerchief]

OK, then... nevermind. :)

Still it seems incongruent that the Director could disregard a multi-lynch mandate, but not a single-lynch one. Should be one hella dramatic write-up.

Last game, Sasaki was lynched pretty decisively while he was sitting director.

He requested that he die being run over by a bandwagon.

[Joe Monks]

Lol @GH. Killing sasaki in a game by a bandwagon, i been working all day 17 hours and that wone makes me laugh :P

Anyways Things are starting to get interesting, I have just about managed to keep reasonably up to date with the thread even when I was away in Liverpool. I only missed one vote and that was due to not being able to make it home in time.

I Select: Jimbob for director and actually when Jimbob serves his two terms I think that Tincow is also defintly townie. So it would be a good Idea to elect Tincow and try and keep him alive for the next two turns. I think everyone is fairly confident he is innocent.

Vote:Louis I think that the whole episode just stinks.

Joe

[KukriKhan]

Last game, Sasaki was lynched pretty decisively while he was sitting director.

He requested that he die being run over by a bandwagon.

LoL, I'm sorry to have missed that. (no offense, Sasaki.

OK then, using ajaxfetish's brilliant summary of what (little) we know about mafia families in post 1781,

select: JimBob
vote: Andres

the fewer killers running around, the better for us all, and I strongly suspect he (Andres) is behind the mafia clan-meeting - something that can't be good for the town.

And I'd give Louis another day or 2 to live for the important info he's provided. OK, call me a 'bleeding heart', but the only folks who really hate him now are the mafiosi he's betrayed. His mistake was playing too many sides against the middle, IMO, so got caught earlier than he expected. In my country, he'd be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.

I'll add-in a capo-tally, when I find an accurate previous one to update.

[Joe Monks]

And I'd give Louis another day or 2 to live for the important info he's provided. OK, call me a 'bleeding heart', but the only folks who really hate him now are the mafiosi he's betrayed. His mistake was playing too many sides against the middle, IMO, so got caught earlier than he expected. In my country, he'd be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.

Maybe, Maybe Not. He might be accused of withholding information too given that He was trying to hide Andres. There is suspicion that he is a made gangster and the parallel is betraying some criminals to move into their territory. My vote to lynch him stands.

Joe

[Haudegen]

I´m in favor of the idea of a multi lynch today because we have more than enough suspects. It requires the cooperation of Louis, but I see no reason why he wouldn´t approve the lynching of three guys who have sworn revenge to him. Though I agree that Louis isn´t trustworthy in other aspects.

Louis, what´s your case against Sasaki? And don´t tell me that you don´t want to compromise your ongoing investigations. It´s obvious that no mafia don with half a brain would share his secrets with you now.

Anyway I recommend the town to create a tie between Andres and Dutch_guy. Removing two mafiosi is worth more than Louis´ head right now.

unvote: abstain
vote: Dutch_guy

[Haudegen]

Tally, for my own safety in a separate posting:

Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 4 (LtPinard, Signurd, Rythmic, KukirKhan)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)

Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 11 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[Makanyane]

Vote:Andres - he seems more of a risk than Louis who as everyone said no-one will trust now anyway. Am also unsure if the offer for the revealed family to leave the game was that genuine, and not just a ploy to get us to forget about them.

Note I am not proposing aiming for that as a double lynch - I think double lynch would be seriously bad idea as Louis looks untrustworthy enough to think of some dubious excuse to let everyone off!


Select:JimBob - not 100% sure about anyone yet but he looks one of the most convincingly pro-town roles

will put tally in next post to avoid editing

[Makanyane]

Capo Tally - post 1840

Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 5 (LtPinard, Signurd, Rythmic, KukirKhan, Mak)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)

Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)


Fixed tally to re-included Craterus who got lost somewhere!

Also CAIUS you need to confirm what your vote is in sorting out the select/vote mess you said vote:Abstain, but you're still down as vote:Prole - which you probably meant....

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I CAN NOT BE A MADE. PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE.

Why was I offered the ability to promote you then Louis? I must remind you that I accepted the promotion, and Seamus did not inform me that the elevation in status had failed in any way.

I'm positive this is all part of your epic master plan. When GH was attacked by a single fellow, at first I presumed the man to be Andres, but after receiving the promotion offer I realised that you must have been behind it.

For a weird reason you didn't want to kill GH, but you attacked him regardless - understanding that you alone wouldn't be able to kill him. You knew I wouldn't reveal a thing to you until you were a Made (and you wouldn't be able to take my Don position till then), so tried to make the promotion process as rapid as possible.

You also knew that if the current situation arose you would be able to claim that you took no part in that kill so could not possibly be a Made.

This was a very well thought out plan Louis, but I really do think that you made some key errors and miscalculations. I also did when assessing reasons and ways you may wish to betray us. It's time to pay for your actions against the family and your disloyalty to the town.

[Husar]

Unvote: Louis
Vote: Andres

Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here.



Tally(sorted by amount of votes + various writing mistakes corrected ):

Lynching
LouisVI: 12 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Andres: 6 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)

Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)

[Csargo]

Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here.

He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.

[Husar]

He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.

I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?

[Ferret]

select: Tincow (he's a lawyer he must be good :P )

vote: Andres

[Ferret]

tally:


Lynching
LouisVI: 12 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Andres: 7 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)

Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)

[Csargo]

I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?

Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.

[FactionHeir]

vote: Louis

Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?

[Csargo]

vote: Louis

Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?

Omanes has already been lynched

[Husar]

Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.

You forget that Omanes was a don, if Louis is really pro-town it would perfectly make sense for Omanes to want him lynched. I know the notion that Louis might actually be pro-town isn't very poular here but we might want to consider it. Andres is definitely not pro-town so I see him as the better candidate for now.

[Moros]

If I could vote it would be Andres. I know he's criminal and guilty by now. Dutch Guy also is criminal.
Louis can be trusted I believe. A rogue detective could be made a made last game... (that I know)
Sasaki turned up innocent in a investigation.

Edit: added DG and the fact that a rogue could become a made. However I think we should thrust him.

[Haudegen]

Ok, seems that the multi lynch isn´t wanted by most players. Therefore I will

unvote: Dutch_guy
vote: Andres

[Charge]

Vote: Andres

tallies is either this

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)

Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)

or this

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)

Abstain: 4 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, Caius)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)

(Caius' votes)

[TinCow]

(Caius' votes)

His last vote was this:

Just to be sure.

I am Selecting:TinCow. Unvote:TinCow Vote:Abstain

Which makes the current tally:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)

Abstain: 4 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, Caius)


Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)

[Sigurd]

People should start unvoting Louis and start putting their votes where it matters.
Why do you all act like you are Stracchi? Offended like Omanes and his goons. Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.

I am wondering... why didn't our vigilante teams at least try to take out Andres/Dutch_guy/Tran ?
My guess is they (the vig teams) have become Corleone.
Have you noticed that there are no 4 man teams in the writeups?

I am afraid that unless the major part of the lurkers start organise themselves and oppose the large mafia that we now face, we will run out of rounds to lynch them all. The town are at a great disadvantage right now.

[Dutch_guy]

Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.

The problem with the above is that Louis' true intentions were a bit more malicious, as he originally hoped to take the place of the Stracchi Don and have Andres survive as his Made. That, in combination with Louis' convenient failure to submit protection orders which lead to Glenn's death, does make Louis a viable lynch option. And Louis being a Made gangster himself, meaning at least a couple of succesful kills, should be reason enough to hang him anyway:

I assure you there is no lie in the fact that you were a Made when you betrayed us Louis. Seamus offered it to me, I accepted, and I then received nothing which indicated otherwise.

Now you might think a mafia Don's statement to be, as a rule, unreliable. Do take into account that Omanes was dead the moment Louis betrayed the family, his family, and had no reason to lie. I'd even go so far as to say that Omanes' record of telling the truth goes way beyond that of Louis in this game, as he didn't even bother to deny his true identity after Louis betrayal.

Does this mean you're willing to forgive all of that, Sigurd ? That can't be in the good of the town, and I would have thought you'd agree.

[Proletariat]

Dutch Guy, why are you, Omanes and Andres still posting?

[Charge]

@Stracchi's : Why you attacked Prole last night?

[Jubal_Barca]

Select sasaki
lynch louis

[Ironside]

A few notes about Louis.

A. According to the mail in Ichigo's post 1822, 3 kills are needed to become a made. I think I've seen the wise guy mail somewhere in this thread, but can't find it now, but anyone that has it can confirm of deny this.

Omanes certainly is playing on getting Louis killed due to revenge and claiming that he's a made will make it certain.

B. He's an exellent offer on detective investigation, if anything else shows up than guilty on the kills he already claimed, he's something else than what he says he is. Either made (through his red text) or a special role.

That said, his behavior with Andres is still very suspicious. But he's pretty dead in the water for now and we still got more important targets.

Vote:Andres
Select: Jimbob