Quote Originally Posted by Innocentius
I'd say JHI actually. The AI never has enough time to reach them (the Turks, especially in vanilla, tend to get crushed from my experience) and if you're playing you'll have won the game or gotten tired of it before they're available to you.
In my campaign now I'm at 1137 ad and the Turks are in big trouble. Down to 1 or 2 provinces and it seems they're getting just crushed by the Byzantines.