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    Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
    Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

    No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

    A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

    So, are we doomed?
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    IN JUST ONE YEARS TIME

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    North America has the most snowcover in 50 years
    I would actually strongly disagree with this. Over here in Maryland, we had literally no more than 3 inches of snow this whole winter season and this lack of snow has been occurring for like the past 3 years already.

    Anyways, global warming is bit of a misnomer, climate change is a better word since all Co2 does is increase how much the temperature changes by, not necessarily just warming it even though thats the whole media perception
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
    I would actually strongly disagree with this. Over here in Maryland, we had literally no more than 3 inches of snow this whole winter season and this lack of snow has been occurring for like the past 3 years already.
    Maryland and Virginia are special cases. There is a bubble of hot air coming from DC, this tends to turn potential snowfall into rain and ice.

    It has been pretty cold here though, and the midwest has been getting pummeled.
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    The obvious question is: If global warming is driven by CO2 and CO2 is even still increasing to ever more dangerous levels, how do we ever have cooling? CO2 didn't decline, did it?

    Anyways, global warming is bit of a misnomer, climate change is a better word since all Co2 does is increase how much the temperature changes by, not necessarily just warming it even though thats the whole media perception
    Actually, no. The argument has always been that CO2 traps heat. Or are you referring to a "Day After Tomorrow" type apocalypse?
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    Interesting blog .
    Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history.
    kinda funny though , the link it uses as its "source" doesn't say that
    perhaps they linked to the wrong story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    The obvious question is: If global warming is driven by CO2 and CO2 is even still increasing to ever more dangerous levels, how do we ever have cooling? CO2 didn't decline, did it?
    It is pretty much answering itself as CO2 is a greenhouse gas and requires thermal radiation from the surface of the Earth. If the incoming heat from the Sun declines, then the green house effect will decline also.

    It is however interesting to see how one unusually cold year can put us at temperatures on par with the turn of the century before global warming was thought to be a problem.
    It has happened before, now it is happeneing again. The average temperatures of the decades is what you should be looking at, not year to year averages.


    As I've said, if we're supposed to be suffering from catastrophic warming caused primarily by CO2,
    The global warming is not supposed to be "catastrophic" at this time.

    how can an off year override all the CO2 caused warming? I think that in itself suggests there are more powerful forces at work in our climate than CO2.
    Of course, the CO2 is not the Earth's heatsource. One year of low temperatures is not overriding anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    The obvious question is: If global warming is driven by CO2 and CO2 is even still increasing to ever more dangerous levels, how do we ever have cooling? CO2 didn't decline, did it?
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    CO2 is not a pollutant. It has not been proven to raise the earth's temperature
    FYI, CO2 is poisonous in higher concentrations. Admittably, reaching those concentrations in the atmosphere is pretty hard.

    Did you know that CO2:s greenhouse effect was discovered in 1859 and that the estimations on man made CO2 increase by 100% (2x more CO2 than from the start) at 1896 was 5-6 degrees warmer climate?

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    Actually here we have one of the hottest winters I can remember. No snow yet this year, none last year either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    IN JUST ONE YEARS TIME

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    In Iowa, we've gotten 20 inches of more snow than average...
    Oh, and I'm gettin' really irritated with it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikhaan

    In Iowa, we've gotten 20 inches of more snow than average...
    Oh, and I'm gettin' really irritated with it too.

    here in virginia we get ball freezing temperatures, but when the sky decides to sprinkle a bit of precipatation, it warms up.

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    So, are we doomed?

    Well as your graph excellently proves, the temperatures have decreased before, only to rise to new heights.




    On a sidenote, where I live there has in the time period December - today only been 1-2 days of snow. From my own personal weather notes from 2003 I read that there were more than 15 days in total of a substantial snow layer on the ground in the same period as well as generally lower temperatures. This does of course not disprove that the temperatures on Earth on average currently are lower.
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