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    Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
    Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

    No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

    A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

    So, are we doomed?
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    IN JUST ONE YEARS TIME

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    North America has the most snowcover in 50 years
    I would actually strongly disagree with this. Over here in Maryland, we had literally no more than 3 inches of snow this whole winter season and this lack of snow has been occurring for like the past 3 years already.

    Anyways, global warming is bit of a misnomer, climate change is a better word since all Co2 does is increase how much the temperature changes by, not necessarily just warming it even though thats the whole media perception
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    Actually here we have one of the hottest winters I can remember. No snow yet this year, none last year either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
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    So, are we doomed?

    Well as your graph excellently proves, the temperatures have decreased before, only to rise to new heights.




    On a sidenote, where I live there has in the time period December - today only been 1-2 days of snow. From my own personal weather notes from 2003 I read that there were more than 15 days in total of a substantial snow layer on the ground in the same period as well as generally lower temperatures. This does of course not disprove that the temperatures on Earth on average currently are lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
    I would actually strongly disagree with this. Over here in Maryland, we had literally no more than 3 inches of snow this whole winter season and this lack of snow has been occurring for like the past 3 years already.
    Maryland and Virginia are special cases. There is a bubble of hot air coming from DC, this tends to turn potential snowfall into rain and ice.

    It has been pretty cold here though, and the midwest has been getting pummeled.
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    The obvious question is: If global warming is driven by CO2 and CO2 is even still increasing to ever more dangerous levels, how do we ever have cooling? CO2 didn't decline, did it?

    Anyways, global warming is bit of a misnomer, climate change is a better word since all Co2 does is increase how much the temperature changes by, not necessarily just warming it even though thats the whole media perception
    Actually, no. The argument has always been that CO2 traps heat. Or are you referring to a "Day After Tomorrow" type apocalypse?
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    Interesting blog .
    Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history.
    kinda funny though , the link it uses as its "source" doesn't say that
    perhaps they linked to the wrong story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Interesting blog .

    kinda funny though , the link it uses as its "source" doesn't say that
    perhaps they linked to the wrong story
    "in recorded history" is a pretty ambitious claim. They could've played it safer and taken Reuters' approach:
    Snow falls on Baghdad for first time in memory
    I have no idea how you'd find out whether it has ever snowed in Baghdad in all of recorded history before this, but it does seem to be the only time anyone is able to recall seeing or even being told of snow in Baghdad- significant in itself.
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    I have no idea how you'd find out whether it has ever snowed in Baghdad in all of recorded history before this, but it does seem to be the only time anyone is able to recall seeing or even being told of snow in Baghdad- significant in itself.
    well apart from the bloke who said remembered when it had snowed in Baghdad before but it wasn't like this snow .

    But here try this , since this blog is apparently about climate change ....
    All show that over the past year
    ...what will any climatologist tell you about the use of a single years figures and their relevance to any study?
    Would it be
    nothing
    nothing
    nothing
    or perhaps errrrrrr.....nothing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    well apart from the bloke who said remembered when it had snowed in Baghdad before but it wasn't like this snow .
    I knew you were going to grab that and try to run with it.
    Nevermind that the distinction was clearly outlined in the article- you still couldn't resist.
    "When I was young, I heard from my father that such rain had fallen in the early '40s on the outskirts of northern Baghdad," Abdul-Hussein said, referring to snow as a type of rain. "But snow falling in Baghdad in such a magnificent scene was beyond my imagination."
    Even the "bloke" in question recognizes the difference between the outskirts of northern Baghdad and Baghdad proper... you didn't notice that I guess?

    But here try this , since this blog is apparently about climate change ....

    ...what will any climatologist tell you about the use of a single years figures and their relevance to any study?
    Would it be
    nothing
    nothing
    nothing
    or perhaps errrrrrr.....nothing .
    I think any scientist would tell you not to make too much of short term events. What remains to be seen is whether or not the cooling will continue. It is however interesting to see how one unusually cold year can put us at temperatures on par with the turn of the century before global warming was thought to be a problem. As I've said, if we're supposed to be suffering from catastrophic warming caused primarily by CO2, how can an off year override all the CO2 caused warming? I think that in itself suggests there are more powerful forces at work in our climate than CO2.
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    Snowfall is not good evidence of global cooling.
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    Even the "bloke" in question recognizes the difference between the outskirts of northern Baghdad and Baghdad proper... you didn't notice that I guess?
    So that would be the difference like between North London and South London


    Sorry thats way too big an area , how about the difference between North Dublin and The Southside .

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    We still didn't get any real snow, I'm not impressed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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    In Iowa, we've gotten 20 inches of more snow than average...
    Oh, and I'm gettin' really irritated with it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar
    We still didn't get any real snow, I'm not impressed!
    I agree. If we're going anecdotal we may as well mention that the area of Germany that I stayed in last year hasn't gotten much snow at all, in fact they've gotten less snow than last year when they got snow a total of two or three times, and only a dusting each time!
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    Snowfall in the Australian Summer... beat that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    The obvious question is: If global warming is driven by CO2 and CO2 is even still increasing to ever more dangerous levels, how do we ever have cooling? CO2 didn't decline, did it?
    It is pretty much answering itself as CO2 is a greenhouse gas and requires thermal radiation from the surface of the Earth. If the incoming heat from the Sun declines, then the green house effect will decline also.

    It is however interesting to see how one unusually cold year can put us at temperatures on par with the turn of the century before global warming was thought to be a problem.
    It has happened before, now it is happeneing again. The average temperatures of the decades is what you should be looking at, not year to year averages.


    As I've said, if we're supposed to be suffering from catastrophic warming caused primarily by CO2,
    The global warming is not supposed to be "catastrophic" at this time.

    how can an off year override all the CO2 caused warming? I think that in itself suggests there are more powerful forces at work in our climate than CO2.
    Of course, the CO2 is not the Earth's heatsource. One year of low temperatures is not overriding anything.


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    Snowfall in the Australian Summer... beat that...
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    An inconvenient inconveniance

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    We had 15 degrees celsius in January. 'Nuff said.
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    Supposedly that wasn't enough to prevent the average global temperature to sink, though.
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    Global cooling?

    All I know is it's -33 outside right now, and on Monday it's going to rain. Welcome to Quebec.
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    Over here we had a warm winter with almost no rainfall at all....when it is normally the most rainy season over here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikhaan

    In Iowa, we've gotten 20 inches of more snow than average...
    Oh, and I'm gettin' really irritated with it too.

    here in virginia we get ball freezing temperatures, but when the sky decides to sprinkle a bit of precipatation, it warms up.

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    Interesting that some of the traditionally cold areas are seeing record-high temperatures this winter when at the same time some of the traditionally warm places are unusually chilled/getting show. It's almost like winter has shifted geographically

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    I, for one, have never believed in the Global Warming hoax and have warned you people all along for this Global Cooling. But no, you 'skeptics' wouldn't listen
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    Teh epic war never seen:

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    Actually it has been going on for quite long; increased amount of aerosols (small particles of different compositions crucial for cloud formation; clouds effectively blocking out the sunlight) from industries/cars vs the CO2 from the same pollutants. The aerosols rains down while the CO2 stays.
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    Conservatives are still trying to prove the Sun revolves around the Earth so they can go on doing environmental damage as if it has no affect on the world (or maybe they just don't care if it does).

    Global warming disrupts normal weather patterns. It doesn't mean the temperatures of all places will be higher at all times. Overall, world temperatures are undeniably higher, but weather is inter-related and hot weather can cause short-term cooling reactions. On the long term, we are losing glaciers at a shocking rate. Glaciers are long term indicators.

    The evidence for human-caused global warming is overwhelming, just like for the Earth revolving around the Sun (which the Catholic Church tried to suppress for many years, because it didn't fit their agenda). The conservatives are trying to suppress the reality of global warming, because it doesn't fit their agenda.


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