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    Actually now we are in situation where panic seems to reign supreme when it comes to financial stocks and the USD. As I said in the posts before we have huge amounts of money trying to get out of the stocks, particulary where they have gone up like crazy since four years like in India and China and to get out of the USD asap. So what we witness is a huge votum of mistrust for the US economy and the greenback, something which I think was underestimated by the FED and the US goverment. Somehow they thought that the huge investments of foreign cash in $, funding the trading deficit and the US consumer where a neverending loan. Now it seems that ordinary people and big funds try to diversify their investments and are using commodities as a hedge.
    Risk is right now a big no-no-no-no for many so they are piling up liquidity as I did and invest partly in gold.

    I personally believe gold will still go up, because people seem to get used to expensive gold and start more and more to compare the situation right now with what happend 25 years ago when gold hit with over 2000$ the peak in relative terms. I think that gold will attract also the money from industrial commodities which skyrocketed, as the recession in the US will be felt. Most very big funds are seemingly disinvesting rather slowly to not cause a nosedive as continue to get out slowly out of the $, while the private money flees at much higher rate. Also many fear now a earning bubble, which means that the big companies have overestimated greatly their earning. So it looks like alot of things are working for a even higher gold price. But who knows for sure?

    So I would retain liquidity, buy some gold and start to take a close look at stocks with a strong earning so that you are ready to invest there when the tide turns. Buying gold is a excellent hedge for guys which buy with $. But most importantly play it save so that you don't get knocked out by all that volatility

    An outlook into the midterm future. I can not quite imagine to see a long dollar rally anytime soon, because most seem to use every rise of it as an oppertunity to sell. Who knows if not more and more central banks and funds invest in the €urozone which could really mean that the dollar will remain a weak currency for a good while because it lost the trust of the world. And that the € might become the worlds leading currency in twenty years or so. As a matter of fact the loss of trust inside the US and into the USA is right now the biggest problem of the $.

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    FED is pumping out more then they should, this could get nasty. Trust is key, no 'our coin your problem' now.

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    I still like the current trend.


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    I don't, they just keep printing dollars, americans really should stop acting as if they own the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    I don't, they just keep printing dollars, americans really should stop acting as if they own the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
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    Gold was a horrible idea.

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    To come back to the topic:

    The USD gained a good deal against the €. It is 1.54 now.


    Gold is now down to 900$. Personally I will buy another good percentage of gold, although I would not advise everybody to do so because many could now become really nervous. There are huge amounts of money in the market and many made huge gains so a sell-off could be possibly. Basically I still think that the longterm trend is good, but the shortterm trend might finally point a bit downwards, so this one is also a matter of timing.

    The longterm prospect of the US economy is bad for 2008. Inflation is rising, unemployment is rising, house prices keep falling in many areas. And the FED has already used a great deal of its bullets. If it continues to cut like that it will mean that in some months the banks can lend money for 0.00%

    So cheers and do not take this advice as the truth - nobody nows what the future holds

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    Bear in mind that if you are buying gold in euros or sterling, the deal is not anywhere near as good as it seems when priced in weak dollars.

    OA is right to note that there's likely to be a good deal of profit taking by short term investors around the psychologically attractive level of $1000 per ounce.

    There's a lot of rumour mongering going about too, especially about the banking sector. This is not a time for the amateur, but those of you more than 10 years from retirement and holding pension funds should be laughing.
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    Ice and I already wrote that gold is a great hedge for $ investors. But don't let asset manager fool you that just because you hold an ETF in € or Sterling you won't get affected by currency trends. They are not directly visible but they are of course there, as gold rises when the dollar falls, among other things.

    As Ghost and I said, there are huge amounts of nervous money in stocks, bonds, commodities, derivatives and so on. It is packeged, levereged, hedged, exchanged, traded, repackeged so that it is impossible to understand how it is exactly connected. Note that falling stocks might drive commodities up (safe haven) or down ( because they need liquidity for a margin call etc) if things get bad for many funds. It is a complex world.

    P.S: Never since 1929 has there been so much volatility!

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    Seems that this crisis will really last quite for some time. From todays NYT.

    March 26, 2008
    Consumer Attitudes and Home Prices Sour
    By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM

    Americans are bracing for rising unemployment and shrinking salaries, a gloomy outlook that could translate into a serious cutback in consumer spending, the primary engine of the economy.

    A private survey of about 2,500 households found that Americans feel worse now about the economy’s prospects than at any time since 1973, when Americans struggled with soaring oil prices and runaway inflation.

    Fears often prove overblown, of course, and this particular survey, which was released on Tuesday by the Conference Board, has a spotty track record as an indicator. But expectations can often be self-fulfilling: worried consumers are less likely to make the big purchases that help keep the economy humming.

    “It signals a great deal of concern and anxiety and uncertainty among consumers,” Bernard Baumohl of the Economic Outlook Group, a research firm in Princeton, N.J., said of the survey.

    “Add that to the fact that the job market has weakened dramatically, and incomes haven’t been rising very much — certainly below the pace of inflation — and you really have the ingredients of a significant cutback of consumer spending,” he said.

    With home prices falling at record rates, Americans are also finding it more difficult to draw on their home equity, further depressing their spending power. A separate report on Tuesday said the value of single-family homes in major metropolitan areas plummeted 10.7 percent in January from a year earlier, the steepest annual decline since the 1990s housing slump.

    “Consumer-led recessions are among the most difficult to turn around in an economy,” Mr. Baumohl said. “Particularly this one, because of the fact that many households feel a lot poorer than they did a year ago, primarily because of the collapse in the value of their homes.”

    Sales of goods and services make up more than two-thirds of gross domestic product, so a significant spending slowdown can speed the onset of a recession or make a downturn even worse.

    And the gloom among consumers appeared widespread. A quarter of those surveyed said that businesses conditions would worsen in the next six months, and nearly a third said the economy would have fewer jobs. Fewer Americans plan to purchase big-ticket items like refrigerators, vehicles and television sets, and more than half said that jobs were currently “not so plentiful.”

    Responding to a question about income expectations, the proportion of Americans who said they expected their incomes to rise over the next six months dropped to 14.9 percent, the lowest level since the Conference Board began its survey in 1967.

    Still, some economists said the report may represent the worst of the current downturn, rather than a harbinger of more pain to come.

    “Typically, these readings look the worst when the economy is bottoming,” said Michael T. Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners, a research and trading firm. He said that on average, the stock market has risen substantially in the six months after Americans’ economic expectations bottom out.

    “As bad as this looks — and it is bad — it might mean we are in a recession right now,” Mr. Darda said. “It’s not necessarily a forward-looking indicator.”

    Over all, consumer confidence — a measure of current sentiment — stood at a five-year low in March, the Conference Board said. The results echoed a separate consumer survey by the University of Michigan and Reuters, which reached a 16-year low in March.

    Home values are also falling at a rapid rate, according to the closely watched Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller index, which on Tuesday released its latest survey of home prices in 20 metropolitan areas.

    In January, all 20 regions recorded price declines, with the steepest losses in Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Los Angeles. Over all, prices dipped 2.36 percent in January, after falling 2.1 percent a month before.

    Homes in Miami and Las Vegas have lost nearly 20 percent of their value in the 12 months ended in January. In only one area, Charlotte, N.C., have prices risen over the last year.

    Though the price declines will hurt homeowners, they may also help to lure buyers back into the ailing housing market. Economists said the price drop was necessary to bring down inventories, which have ballooned in recent months as buyers waited for prices to fall even further.

    “It’s a necessary thing,” Joshua Shapiro, an economist at the research firm MFR, said. “If pain is necessary, bring it on. That’s where we are right now.”

    Falling prices may have already started to attract some buyers. Sales of previously owned homes ticked up last month, according to the National Association of Realtors, ending a six-month streak of declines.

    The positive sales figure led some analysts to suggest that the housing market is approaching its bottom. But other economists predict that prices will have to fall further, and for several more months, before sales pick up in earnest.

    In the New York metropolitan area, home values fell just 0.9 percent in January, and 5.8 percent compared with a year earlier. But the decline appeared to be gaining speed: values are down nearly 10 percent on a three-month annualized basis.
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    Yeah. Home prices.

    In 1999, I tried to buy a 3 bedroom, 2 bath 40-year old house for $164K. Deal fell through.

    In 2004 (5 years later), that same house - the only improvement having been a fence installed - sold for $342K. And this Spring, it's in foreclosure, and vacant.

    It wasn't worth $342K in '04, but the market forced that price because of speculators and "free money" given out by banks with little to no security; the same was happening throughout the neighborhood and the region. You cannot travel more than 2 blocks in my city without seeing an empty house, with a "bank-owned" for-sale sign out front.

    So now we're seeing home prices dropping, trying to re-tie actual home-value to price. That would seem a good thing - apart from mortgage-payers paying on over-valued notes. At the county level, the taxman's gonna take a hit when we demand a reassessment from that hyper-inflated price we paid, down to what it's really worth (saleable).

    In the end, who comes out ahead? The bank. No wonder they were giving away free candy 5 years ago: the Fed (the taxpayer) will bail them out if a few loans go "poof", and the suckers (the mortgage-paying taxpayers) will keep plugging along anyway.
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    Until the crash, the banks loved it when they foreclosed on some poor sucker who couldn't pay the loans. They could take the house and resell it at an even higher price. Real estate agents loved it, they got their 3% of inflated sale prices (and probably colluded to get prices up, I'm pretty sure they did in my neighborhood). That "business model" came to an abrupt end when the housing demand dropped.

    On the county taxman front: I got my reassessment last month from the county. The value of my house dropped precipitously, due to lower demand and "market corrections". Mysteriously though, the value of the land under my house shot up precipitously, so the overall assessment was the exact same as 2007. Apparently I was not the only one, a fuss ensued. I got a new assessment last week, home value down, but not as much, land value up, but not as much, end result is the exact same assessed value as 2007. Shenanigans . Of course, I wouldn't be able to sell the home anywhere near the value it was set at last year, but I don't really expect taxes to drop, that would be crazy. Fairfax County is really worried about revenue.
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    We've got some reasonably bad property prices in Sydney at the moment. We've got houses that were priced at AUS$500k-1mil five or so years ago and now they're worth AUS$1-3.5 mil in somecases around where I live. It's absurd, especially considering the national debt level.

    However, I just noticed this on the news, the US market is falling slower than Japan's or Shanghai.
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    Very interesting, especially the observation by drone. It shows that value is in the end mostly guesswork and interpretation, done in markets or by agents.

    BTW I never ever trust banks and lawyers when it comes down to account for your money. Already my grandfather pointed showed me how often companies and persons miscalculate - strangly mostly to their favor. My prof. for controlling has made often a nice bonus by taking a good look at them for other people he happened to consulte. 10% from a discovered 130000€ ain't bad for half an hour of calculating


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    March 30, 2008
    The Foreclosure Machine

    By GRETCHEN MORGENSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER
    NOBODY wins when a home enters foreclosure — neither the borrower, who is evicted, nor the lender, who takes a loss when the home is resold. That’s the conventional wisdom, anyway.

    The reality is very different. Behind the scenes in these dramas, a small army of law firms and default servicing companies, who represent mortgage lenders, have been raking in mounting profits. These little-known firms assess legal fees and a host of other charges, calculate what the borrowers owe and draw up the documents required to remove them from their homes.

    As the subprime mortgage crisis has spread, the volume of the business has soared, and firms that handle loan defaults have been the primary beneficiaries. Law firms, paid by the number of motions filed in foreclosure cases, have sometimes issued a flurry of claims without regard for the requirements of bankruptcy law, several judges say.

    Much as Wall Street’s mortgage securitization machinery helped to fuel questionable lending across the United States, default, or foreclosure, servicing operations have been compounding the woes of troubled borrowers. Court documents say that some of the largest firms in the industry have repeatedly submitted erroneous affidavits when moving to seize homes and levied improper fees that make it harder for homeowners to get back on track with payments. Consumer lawyers call these operations “foreclosure mills.”

    “They get paid by the volume and speed with which they process these foreclosures,” said Mal Maynard, director of the Financial Protection Law Center, a nonprofit firm in Wilmington, N.C.

    John and Robin Atchley of Waleska, Ga., have experienced dubious foreclosure practices at first hand. Twice during a four-month period in 2006, the Atchleys were almost forced from their home when Countrywide Home Loans, part of Countrywide Financial, and the law firm representing it said they were delinquent on their mortgage. Countrywide’s lawyers withdrew their motions to seize the Atchleys’ home only after the couple proved them wrong in court.

    The possibility that some lenders and their representatives are running roughshod over borrowers is of increasing concern to bankruptcy judges overseeing Chapter 13 cases across the country. The United States Trustee Program, a unit of the Justice Department that oversees the integrity of the nation’s bankruptcy courts, is bringing cases against lenders that it says are abusing the bankruptcy system.

    Joel B. Rosenthal, a United States bankruptcy judge in the Western District of Massachusetts, wrote in a case last year involving Wells Fargo Bank that rising foreclosures were resulting in greater numbers of lenders that “in their rush to foreclose, haphazardly fail to comply with even the most basic legal requirements of the bankruptcy system.”

    Law firms and default servicing operations that process large numbers of cases have made it harder for borrowers to design repayment plans, or workouts, consumer lawyers say. “As I talk to people around the country, they all unanimously state that the foreclosure mills are impediments to loan workouts,” Mr. Maynard said.

    LAST month, almost 225,000 properties in the United States were in some stage of foreclosure, up nearly 60 percent from the period a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac, an online foreclosure research firm and marketplace.

    These proceedings generate considerable revenue for the firms involved: eviction and appraisal charges, late fees, title search costs, recording fees, certified mailing costs, document retrieval fees, and legal fees. The borrower, already in financial distress, is billed for these often burdensome costs. While much of the revenue goes to the law firms hired by lenders, some is kept by the servicers of the loans.

    Fidelity National Default Solutions, a unit of Fidelity National Information Services of Jacksonville, Fla., is one of the biggest foreclosure service companies. It assists 19 of the top 25 residential mortgage servicers and 14 of the top 25 subprime loan servicers.

    Citing “accelerating demand” for foreclosure services last year, Fidelity generated operating income of $443 million in its lender processing unit, a 13.3 percent increase over 2006. By contrast, the increase from 2005 to 2006 was just 1 percent. The firm is not associated with Fidelity Investments.

    Law firms representing lenders are also big beneficiaries of the foreclosure surge. These include Barrett Burke Wilson Castle Daffin & Frappier, a 38-lawyer firm in Houston; McCalla, Raymer, Padrick, Cobb, Nichols & Clark, a 37-member firm in Atlanta that is a designated counsel to Fannie Mae; and the Shapiro Attorneys Network, a nationwide group of 24 firms.

    While these private firms do not disclose their revenues, Wesley W. Steen, chief bankruptcy judge for the Southern District of Texas, recently estimated that Barrett Burke generated between $9.7 million and $11.6 million a year in its practice. Another judge estimated last year that the firm generated $125,000 every two weeks — or $3.3 million a year — filing motions that start the process of seizing borrowers’ homes.

    Court records from 2007 indicate that McCalla, Raymer generated $10.4 million a year on its work for Countrywide alone. In 2005, some McCalla, Raymer employees left the firm and created MR Default Services, an entity that provides foreclosure services; it is now called Prommis Solutions.

    For years, consumer lawyers say, bankruptcy courts routinely approved these firms’ claims and fees. Now, as the foreclosure tsunami threatens millions of families, the firms’ practices are coming under scrutiny.

    And none too soon, consumer lawyers say, because most foreclosures are uncontested by borrowers, who generally rely on what the lender or its representative says is owed, including hefty fees assessed during the foreclosure process. In Georgia, for example, a borrower can watch his home go up for auction on the courthouse steps after just 40 days in foreclosure, leaving relatively little chance to question fees that his lender has levied.

    A recent analysis of 1,733 foreclosures across the country by Katherine M. Porter, associate professor of law at the University of Iowa, showed that questionable fees were added to borrowers’ bills in almost half the loans.

    Specific cases inching through the courts support the notion that figures supplied by lenders are often incorrect. Lawyers representing clients who have filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy, the program intended to help them keep their homes, say it is especially distressing when these numbers are used to evict borrowers.

    “If the debtor wants accurate information in a bankruptcy case on her mortgage, she has got to work hard to find that out,” said Howard D. Rothbloom, a lawyer in Marietta, Ga., who represents borrowers. That work, usually done by a lawyer, is costly.

    Mr. Rothbloom represents the Atchleys, who almost lost their home in early 2006 when legal representatives of their loan servicer, Countrywide, incorrectly told the court that the Atchleys were 60 days delinquent in Chapter 13 plan payments two times over four months. Borrowers can lose their homes if they fail to make such payments.

    After the Atchleys supplied proof that they had made their payments on both occasions, Countrywide withdrew its motions to begin foreclosure. But the company also levied $2,793 in fees on the Atchleys’ loan that it did not explain, court documents said. “Every paycheck went to what they said we owed,” Robin Atchley said. “And every statement we got, the payoff was $179,000 and it never went down. I really think they took advantage of us.”

    The Atchleys, who have four children, sold the house and now rent. Mrs. Atchley said they lost more than $23,000 in equity in the home because of fees levied by Countrywide.

    The United States Trustee sued Countrywide last month in the Atchley case, saying its pattern of conduct was an abuse of the bankruptcy system. Countrywide said that it could not comment on pending litigation and that privacy concerns prevented it from discussing specific borrowers.

    A generation ago, home foreclosures were a local business, lawyers say. If a borrower got into trouble, the lender who made the loan was often a nearby bank that held on to the mortgage. That bank would hire a local lawyer to try to work with the borrower; foreclosure proceedings were a last resort.

    Now foreclosures are farmed out to third-party processors who hire local counsel to litigate. Lenders negotiate flat-fee arrangements to try to keep legal bills down.

    AN unfortunate result, according to several judges, is a drive to increase revenue by filing more motions. Jeff Bohm, a bankruptcy judge in Texas who oversaw a case between William Allen Parsley, a borrower in Willis, Tex., and legal representatives for Countrywide, said the flat-fee structure “has fostered a corrosive ‘assembly line’ culture of practicing law.” Both McCalla, Raymer and Barrett Burke represented Countrywide in the matter.

    Gee Aldridge, managing partner at McCalla, Raymer, called the Parsley case unique. “It is the goal of every single one of my clients to do whatever they can do to keep borrowers in their homes,” he said. Officials at Barrett Burke did not return phone calls seeking comment.

    In a statement, Countrywide said it recognized the importance of the efficient functioning of the bankruptcy system. It said that servicing loans for borrowers in bankruptcy was complex, but that it had improved its procedures, hired new employees and was “aggressively exploring additional technology solutions to ensure that we are servicing loans in a manner consistent with applicable guidelines and policies.”

    The September 2006 issue of The Summit, an in-house promotional publication of Fidelity National Foreclosure Solutions, another unit of Fidelity, trumpeted the efficiency of its 18-member “document execution team.” Set up “like a production line,” the publication said, the team executes 1,000 documents a day, on average.

    OTHER judges are cracking down on some foreclosure practices. In 2006, Morris Stern, the federal bankruptcy judge overseeing a matter involving Jenny Rivera, a borrower in Lodi, N.J., issued a $125,000 sanction against the Shapiro & Diaz firm, which is a part of the Shapiro Attorneys Network. The judge found that Shapiro & Diaz had filed 250 motions seeking permission to seize homes using pre-signed certifications of default executed by an employee who had not worked at the firm for more than a year.

    In testimony before the judge, a Shapiro & Diaz employee said that the firm used the pre-signed documents beginning in 2000 and that they were attached to “95 percent” of the firm’s motions seeking permission to seize a borrower’s home. Individuals making such filings are supposed to attest to their accuracy. Judge Stern called Shapiro & Diaz’s use of these documents “the blithe implementation of a renegade practice.”

    Nelson Diaz, a partner at the firm, did not return a phone call seeking comment.

    Butler & Hosch, a law firm in Orlando, Fla., that is employed by Fannie Mae, has also been the subject of penalties. Last year, a judge sanctioned the firm $33,500 for filing 67 faulty motions to remove borrowers from their homes. A spokesman for the firm declined to comment.

    Barrett Burke in Texas has come under intense scrutiny by bankruptcy judges. Overseeing a case last year involving James Patrick Allen, a homeowner in Victoria, Tex., Judge Steen examined the firm’s conduct in eight other foreclosure cases and found problems in all of them. In five of the matters, documents show, the firm used inaccurate information about defaults or failed to attach proper documentation when it moved to seize borrowers’ homes. Judge Steen imposed $75,000 in sanctions against Barrett Burke for a pattern of errors in the Allen case.

    A former Barrett Burke lawyer, who requested anonymity to avoid possible retaliation from the firm, said, “They’re trying to find a fine line between providing efficient, less costly service to the mortgage companies” and not harming the borrower.

    Both he and another former lawyer at the firm said Barrett Burke relied heavily on paralegals and other nonlawyer employees in its foreclosure and bankruptcy practices. For example, they said, paralegals prepared documents to be filed in bankruptcy court, demanding that the court authorize foreclosure on a borrower’s home. Lawyers were supposed to review the documents before they were filed. Both former Barrett lawyers said that with at least 1,000 filings a month, it was hard to keep up with the volume.

    This factory-line approach to litigation was one reason he decided to leave the firm, the first lawyer said. “I had questions,” he added, “about whether doing things efficiently was worth whatever the cost was to the consumer.”

    James R. and Tracy A. Edwards, who are now living in New Mexico, say they have had problems with questionable fees charged by Countrywide and actions by Barrett Burke. In one month in 2002, when the couple lived in Houston, Countrywide Home Loans withdrew three monthly mortgage payments from their bank account, Mrs. Edwards said, leaving them unable to pay other bills. The family filed for bankruptcy to try to keep their home, cars and other assets.

    Filings in the bankruptcy case of the Edwards family show that on at least three occasions, Countrywide’s lawyers at Barrett Burke filed motions contending that the borrowers had fallen behind. The firm subsequently withdrew the motions.

    “They kept saying we owed tons and tons of fees on the house,” Mrs. Edwards said. Tired of this battle, the family gave up the Houston house and moved to one in Rio Rancho, N.M., that they had previously rented out.

    Countrywide tried to foreclose on that house, too, contending that Mr. and Mrs. Edwards were behind in their payments. Again, Mrs. Edwards said, the culprit was a raft of fees that Countrywide had never told them about — and that were related to their Texas home. Mrs. Edwards says that she and her husband plan to sue Countrywide to block foreclosure on their New Mexico home.

    Pamela L. Stewart, president of the Houston Association of Debtor Attorneys, said she has become skeptical of lenders’ claims of fees owed. “I want to see documents that back up where these numbers are coming from,” Ms. Stewart said. “To me, they’re pulled out of the air.”

    An inaccurate mortgage payment history supplied by Ameriquest, a mortgage lender that is now defunct, was central to a case last year in federal bankruptcy court in Massachusetts. “Ameriquest is simply unable or unwilling to conform its accounting practices to what is required under the bankruptcy code,” Judge Rosenthal wrote. He awarded the borrower $250,000 in emotional-distress damages and $500,000 in punitive damages.

    Fidelity National Information Services has also been sued. A complaint filed on behalf of Ernest and Mattie Harris in federal bankruptcy court in Houston contends that Fidelity receives kickbacks from the lawyers it works with on foreclosure matters.

    The case shines some light on the complex relationships between lenders and default servicers and the law firms that represent them. The Harrises’ loan servicer is Saxon Mortgage Services, a Morgan Stanley unit, which signed an agreement with Fidelity National Foreclosure Solutions. Under it, Fidelity was to provide foreclosure and bankruptcy services on loans serviced by Saxon, as well as to manage lawyers acting on Saxon’s behalf. The agreement also specified that Saxon would pay the fees of the lawyers managed by Fidelity.

    But Fidelity also struck a second agreement, with an outside law firm, Mann & Stevens in Houston, which spelled out the fees Fidelity was to be paid each time the law firm made filings in a case. Mann & Stevens, which did respond to phone calls, represented Saxon in the Harrises’ bankruptcy proceedings.

    According to the complaint, Mann & Stevens billed Saxon $200 for filing an objection to the borrowers’ plan to emerge from bankruptcy. Saxon paid the $200 fee, then charged that amount to the Harrises, according to the complaint. But Mann & Stevens kept only $150, paying the remaining $50 to Fidelity, the complaint said.

    This arrangement constitutes improper fee-sharing, the Harrises argued. Texas rules of professional conduct bar fee-sharing between lawyers and nonlawyers because that could motivate them to raise prices — and the Harrises argue that this is why the law firm charged $200 instead of $150. And under these rules, sharing fees with someone who is not a lawyer creates a risk that the financial relationship could affect the judgment of the lawyer, whose duty is to the client. Few exceptions are permitted — like sharing court-awarded fees with a nonprofit organization or keeping a retirement plan for nonlawyer employees of a law firm.

    “If it’s fee-sharing, and if it doesn’t fall into those categories, it sounds wrong,” said Michael S. Frisch, adjunct professor of law at Georgetown University. Greg Whitworth, president of loan portfolio solutions at Fidelity, defended the arrangement, saying it was not unusual for a company to have an intermediary manage outside law firms on its behalf.

    The Harrises contend that the bankruptcy-related fees charged by the law firms managed by Fidelity “are inflated by 25 to 50 percent.” The agreement between Fidelity and the law firm is also hidden, according to their complaint, so a presiding judge sees only the lender and the law firm, not the middleman.

    Fidelity said the money it received from the law firm was not a kickback, but payments for services, just as a law firm would pay a copying service to duplicate documents. In response to the complaint, Fidelity asserted in a court filing that the Harrises’ claims were “nothing more than scandalous, hollow rhetoric.”

    But the Fidelity fee schedule shows a charge for each action taken by the law firm, not a fee per page or kilobyte. And Fidelity’s contract appears to indemnify Saxon if the arrangement between Fidelity and its law firm runs afoul of conduct rules.

    Mr. Whitworth of Fidelity said that the arrangement with Mann & Stevens did not constitute fee sharing, because Fidelity was to be paid by that law firm even if the law firm itself was not paid.

    He also said that by helping a servicer manage dozens or even hundreds of law firms, Fidelity lowered the cost of foreclosure or bankruptcy proceedings, to the benefit of the law firm, the servicer and the borrower. “Both parties want us to be in the middle here,” Mr. Whitworth said, referring to law firms and mortgage servicing companies.

    THE Fidelity contract attached to the complaint also hints at the money each motion generates. Foreclosures earn lawyers fees of $500 or more under the contract; evictions generate about $300. Those fees aren’t enormous if they require a substantial amount of time. But a few thousand such motions a month, executed by lawyers’ employees, translates into many hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue to the law firm — and the lower the firm’s costs, the greater the profits.

    “Congress needs to enact a national foreclosure bill that sets a uniform procedure in every state that provides adequate notice, due process and transparency about fees and charges,” said O. Max Gardner III, a consumer lawyer in Shelby, N.C. “A lot of this stuff is such a maze of numbers and complex organizational structure most lawyers can’t get through it. For the average consumer, it is mission impossible.”
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    Stunning bit of news from the IRS about those "economic stimulus" rebates getting mailed out: LINK (either click "listen to this story" (about 2 minutes run-time), or read the text - especially the final sentence, if you're in a hurry.)
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    Great find. Who would have imagined to find such a neat piece of "central planning" in the symbol of capitalism?

    BTW, while the stocks are having a decent rally, especially in Europe - after UBS just had another record write-down, which seemingly brought "transparency" to the market - the US economy is on a bad track. That's what at least 81% of Americans think, the highest number ever.

    April 4, 2008
    81% in Poll Say Nation Is Headed on Wrong Track
    By DAVID LEONHARDT and MARJORIE CONNELLY
    Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s, according to the latest poll.

    In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,” up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2002.

    Although the public mood has been darkening since the early days of the war in Iraq, it has taken a new turn for the worse in the last few months, as the economy has seemed to slip into recession. There is now nearly a national consensus that the country faces significant problems.

    A majority of nearly every demographic and political group — Democrats and Republicans, men and women, residents of cities and rural areas, college graduates and those who finished only high school — say the United States is headed in the wrong direction. Seventy-eight percent of respondents said the country was worse off than five years ago; just 4 percent said it was better off.

    The dissatisfaction is especially striking because public opinion usually hits its low point only in the months and years after an economic downturn, not at the beginning of one. Today, however, Americans report being deeply worried about the country even though many say their own personal finances are still in fairly good shape.

    Only 21 percent of respondents said the overall economy was in good condition, the lowest such number since late 1992, when the recession that began in the summer of 1990 had already been over for more than a year. In the latest poll, two in three people said they believed the economy was in recession today.

    The unhappiness presents clear risks for Republicans in this year’s elections, given the continued unpopularity of President Bush. Twenty-eight percent of respondents said they approved of the job he was doing, a number that has barely changed since last summer. But Democrats, who have controlled the House and Senate since last year, also face the risk that unhappy voters will punish Congressional incumbents.

    Mr. Bush and leaders of both parties on Capitol Hill have moved in recent weeks to react to the economic slowdown, first by passing a stimulus bill that will send checks of up to $1,200 to many couples this spring. They are now negotiating over proposals to overhaul financial regulations, blunt the effects of a likely wave of home foreclosures and otherwise respond to the real estate slump and related crisis on Wall Street.

    The poll found that Americans blame government officials for the crisis more than banks or home buyers and other borrowers. Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.

    In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not for financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession.

    “What I learned from economics is that the market is not always going to be a happy place,” Sandi Heller, who works at the University of Colorado and is also studying for a master’s degree in business there, said in a follow-up interview. If the government steps in to help out, said Ms. Heller, 43, it could encourage banks to take more foolish risks.

    “There are a million and one better ways for the government to spend that money,” she said.

    Respondents were considerably more open to government help for home owners at risk of foreclosure. Fifty-three percent said they believed the government should help those whose interest rates were rising, while 41 percent said they opposed such a move.

    The nationwide telephone survey of 1,368 adults was conducted from March 28 to April 2. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    When the presidential campaign began last year, the war in Iraq and terrorism easily topped Americans’ list of concerns. Almost 30 percent of people in a December poll said that one of those issues was the country’s most pressing problem. About half as many named the economy or jobs.

    But the issues have switched places in just a few months’ time. In the latest poll, 17 percent named terrorism or the war, while 37 percent named the economy or the job market. When looking at the current state of their own finances, Americans remain relatively sanguine. More than 70 percent said their financial situation was fairly good or very good, a number that has dropped only modestly since 2006.

    Yet many say they are merely managing to stay in place, rather than get ahead. This view is consistent with the income statistics of the past five years, which suggest that median household income has still not returned to the inflation-adjusted peak it hit in 1999. Since the Census Bureau began keeping records in the 1960s, there has never been an extended economic expansion that ended without setting a new record for household income.

    Economists cite a variety of factors for the sluggish income growth, including technology and globalization, and it clearly seems to have made Americans anxious about the future. Fewer than half of parents — 46 percent — said they expected their children to enjoy a better standard of living than they themselves do, down from 56 percent in 2005.

    Respondents were more pessimistic when asked in general terms about the next generation, with only a third saying it would live better than people do today. (Polls usually find people more upbeat about their personal situation than about the state of society, but the gap is now larger than usual.)

    Charles Parrish, a 56-year-old retired fireman in Evans, Ga., who now works a maintenance job for the local school system, said he was worried the country was not preparing children for the high-technology economy of the future. Instead, the government passed a stimulus package that simply sends checks to taxpayers and worsens the deficit in the process.

    “Who’s going to pay back the money?” Mr. Parrish, an independent, said. “We are. They are giving me money, except I’m going to have to pay interest on it.”

    Democrats have asserted recently that the lack of wage growth has made people more open to government intervention in the economy than in the past, and the poll found mixed results on this score.

    Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they would support raising taxes on households making more than $250,000 to pay for tax cuts or government programs for people making less than that amount. Only 38 percent called it a bad idea. Both Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidates, have made proposals along these lines.

    More broadly, 43 percent of those surveyed said they would prefer a larger government that provided more services, which is tied for the highest such number since The Times and CBS News began asking the question in 1991. But an identical 43 percent said they wanted a smaller government that provided fewer services.

    And although both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have blamed trade with other countries for some of the economy’s problems, Americans say they continue to favor trade — if not quite as strongly as in the past. Fifty-eight percent called it good for the economy; 32 percent called it bad, up from 17 percent in 1996.

    At the same time, 68 percent said they favored trade restrictions to protect domestic industries, instead of allowing unrestrained trade. In early 1996, 55 percent favored such restrictions.

    Dalia Sussman and Marina Stefan contributed reporting.
    The only good note is that most Americans think that their income situation is "fairly good", not bad but also not good. They also think that the inflation will outgrow their rise in income.

    BTW I skipped over some comments, almost all of them negative and I found this one was highly recommended

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    General Electrics profit falls short. I my humble opinion it will become more and more clear that many big companies, especially in the US will suffer severe hits, because it has become much more difficult to do business.

    What I find especially worrying for the USA is that the trade deficit is actually growing while it should be shrinking because of the dirt cheap $.
    I guess it is because the Amercian economy is not geared for export and, perhaps even more important is the simple fact that the prices for almost everything are going sharply up. I'm glad to live in €uroland where the ECB has kept the interest rates steady, so that the inflation is, while still very worrying not as high as it could have been.

    In Rare Miss, G.E. Profit Falls Short
    By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
    General Electric reported a 5.8 percent decline in first-quarter profit on Friday, falling far short of expectations and stunning investors who consider the company one of the nation’s most reliable earners.

    The unexpected decline, from a company known for rarely missing its estimates, will probably further erode confidence in the economy’s ability to rebound from the current financial crisis.

    The Dow Jones industrial average, which includes G.E., dropped more than 140 points at the opening bell before recovering somewhat. G.E. shares fell 11.4 percent, to $32.56, but the market losses were broad-based: the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was down about 1.1 percent, and the Nasdaq composite index also lost about 1.1 percent at 9:45 a.m.

    G.E.’s losses came primarily from the company’s financial services division, popular with consumers and small businesses, which was buffeted by recent economic shocks.

    “We failed to meet our expectations,” Jeffrey R. Immelt, the company’s chief executive, said in a statement. “We knew the first quarter was going to be challenging, but the extraordinary disruption in the capital markets in March affected our ability to complete asset sales.”

    The company reported net income of $4.3 billion for the quarter, or 43 cents a share, down from $4.57 billion, or 44 cents a share, in the period a year earlier. Analysts had been expecting about 51 cents a share in net earnings, and the company had projected earnings of 50 to 53 cents a share.

    G.E. also sharply lowered its full-year earnings forecast; the company now predicts little to no growth for all of 2008.

    As he fielded questions from disgruntled analysts on a conference call Friday morning, Mr. Immelt insisted that “the core business remains solid.” But he acknowledged that recent financial developments, including the collapse of Bear Stearns, took a severe toll. Earnings at the company’s financial services operation plummeted 19 percent for the quarter.

    Mr. Immelt said he regretted the poor performance. “We hate missing our numbers,” he said.
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    Spotted in the shops! I am sooo going to wear this all summer.


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    "Some experts believe it may have something to do with the fact that U.S. has a economy." Or the currency markets may just hate freedom.
    In related news, the dollar's also dropping against counterfeit dollars. And Canadian acorns.
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    Over 1.60...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleander Ardens
    Over 1.60...


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    Just a critical view of the things said by me here in this thread.

    1) The US economy seems harder hit than many thought it would be. My educated guess proved right.
    The longterm prospect of the US economy is bad for 2008. Inflation is rising, unemployment is rising, house prices keep falling in many areas. And the FED has already used a great deal of its bullets. If it continues to cut like that it will mean that in some months the banks can lend money for 0.00%
    May

    2) Stocks would tumble. As a matter of fact the major indexes bar the Dax reched 1-2 year lows

    3) Gold would be a good investment and push above 1000$. I clearly failed so far my guess about the price of gold. Still the buys at 900$ or even lower (now 942$) proved to be very good.

    Gold is now down to 900$. Personally I will buy another good percentage of gold, although I would not advise everybody to do so because many could now become really nervous. There are huge amounts of money in the market and many made huge gains so a sell-off could be possibly. Basically I still think that the longterm trend is good, but the shortterm trend might finally point a bit downwards, so this one is also a matter of timing.
    After gold reached 1000$
    Now I guess Gold will continue its sprint, especially when the money comes in from the industrial commodities when they get hit.
    March

    4) Cash was king. It is still.

    Anyway I have large stocks of liquid capital and I will try to buy cheap stocks in a cheap currency as far as I see light at the end of the tunnel
    March

    So now I have to think what to do now...
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