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    Night Four Summary


    Caius Flaminius was moving cautiously – these days, he always did. When the masked stranger popped up from behind the steps of the browstone 25 yards ahead of the portico of the Hotel Abbatoir where Caius was standing, Caius did not hesitate. His Smith and Wesson was up and firing as fast as the masked gunman could close half the distance and squeeze off a burst from his Thompson. Both figures went down, Caius’ revolver flung from his hand by the impact of a round from the Thompson.

    Both men struggled to their feet – for both had been wearing bulletproof vests. Caius really was cautious and he had all the extra inserts – hat, vambraces, upper legs and knees as well – so despite absorbing a couple of rounds each, neither man was more than bruised. The gunman once again raised his weapon, this time aiming for Caius’ face…when out of the foggy skies above came a blood-curdling scream!


    “Goooodbyyyye…Cruuuuuel …Wor…!”

    The last word was cut off by the crash of Copperhaired Berzerker as he smashed the Tommy gun out of the shooter’s hands and crushed the gun – and himself – on the pavement. The gunman was knocked down, but quickly got up and jogged off into the dark.

    Caius was dumbfounded, but before he could move to retrieve his gun, before people in the lobby of the hotel had a chance to come forward and see what happened, more figures stepped out from behind cars across the street. Curiously, each was dressed, rather incongruously, as a Gypsy fortune teller…


    “We know your past,” the figures chanted, “and it was not Ichigo’s time.”

    Cauis began to edge backwards.

    “We know your future,” the chanting continued, “and here’s your swan song!”

    Each carried a Thompson and all of them had the big drums attached. They walked forward behind a stream of .45 caliber projectiles. It didn’t matter that Caius flung up his vambraced arms to protect his head. It didn’t matter that he was armored as well as – and a lot more stylishly than – Ned Kelly. The shooters each had more than one drum and between them fired nearly 400 rounds at Caius. Almost half of the rounds hit, pinioning him against the façade of the hotel and punching dozens of holes in his arms and legs and shattering most of his ribs, both collar bones, and both arms with the repeated impacts of nearly 200 slugs at less than 30 feet. The assassins faded back into the night. Rapidly bleeding out from his many wounds and internal injuries, Caius simply faded to black.


    For Sir Moody, it was his innate sense of chivalry that proved his undoing. Observing one well-dressed fellow in opera hat, white tie and tails fending off a shabbily dressed and club wielding, would-be mugger with his walking stick just outside of the Yebba Road theatre, Moody darted forward to render assistance. As he reached the pair, the scruffy fellow backed away from the opera fancier – while holding onto and removing the ferule of the posh fellow’s walking stick. Ferule removed, the walking stick revealed itself to be a slim but exceedingly sharp Wilkinson blade. The blade proved its quality by transfixing Moody with a neat thrust up and in between the ribs of his left side and out between spine and scapula. Moody stared at his well-dressed killer, not even really feeling any pain, and tried to speak…

    “But…you…”

    “Don’t worry about it,” said the dandified swordsman. He quickly rotated the blade ninety degrees, watching the light fade in Moody’s eyes. “Don’t trouble yourself about anything.”

    He pulled the blade from Moody’s body as Moody crumpled to the ground, cleaning the blade on his left glove. Handing his blade to his partner to sheathe, the swordsman gingerly stripped off the soiled glove to deposit it in a nearby trashcan. The second glove was also removed and dropped gently onto Moody’s body. Both men quietly walked away from the scene.


    Sir Boo was enjoying a late dinner in front of his radio. The sky outside was dark and overcast. Boo’s room was lit only by the light from the big radio dial. Boo liked listening in the dark, as he could imagine he was there in the scenes with the characters he so enjoyed. So intently was he listening to the show, a crime drama he enjoyed called The Shadow, that he did not hear the gentle click of the front door as the lock was picked and it swung softly open. Nor did he hear the footsteps approach down the hall.

    Then, coming into the room, one of the figures spoke, “Good evening, Mr. Boo.”

    Boo froze in fear, then slowly straightened in his chair, squinting and straining to see the several dark figures standing in the entryway, but the light from the big radio dial was between Boo and the figures – he could barely make out their silhouettes in the dark – shadows within shadows.

    "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?” said the figure, mimicking the voice of Boo’s radio hero. “The Shadow knows.”

    And with that, the stranger shot him in the head. Another figure placed a white glove on his body, then all exited the house. The light from the dial cast weird shadows over Sir Boo's injured face. On the radio, the Shadow triumphed again.


    AndrestheCunning hadn’t gotten all that much sleep during the night, so when his alarm woke him at 5 a.m. and sent him downstairs to begin the day he wasn’t quite at his most cunning and observant. He missed the cup with the first half-ounce of coffee he poured from the percolator; he missed the edge of the rug and nearly stumbled into his own front door while navigating his hallway; he even missed the trigger wires of the two “Bouncing Betties” that some unkind soul or souls had placed under his morning paper. They bounced, he blinked, they blew, and he bled. Riddled by dozens of ball bearings, Andres could barely moan as he rapidly bled out from multiple wounds. As his vision faded, he couldn’t help but notice the headline of the torn front page of his paper lying next to him: Fermanagh Says Things Looking Up! <> Then nothing.


    Fermanagh was his usual business-like self at that morning’s briefing.


    “AggonyDuck grew up as a criminal and for years had been what the gangsters call a wise guy, but hadn’t done anything really bad since his last stint in jail. As far as we know, he was behaving himself – we even have a few unconfirmed rumors that he was trying to go straight. Maybe that’s what got him killed in so horrible a fashion. These monsters are just plain mean to someone they view as a traitor.”

    <> thought Seamus.

    “Major Robert Dump, on the other hand, was an even worse character. A few of our snitches have confirmed that he was what the mobsters call a “Made Man” – a confirmed criminal working for one of the crime outfits we’re fighting. It seems he was rubbed out by some of his competitors. They’re all a bunch of rats but this time they got rid of someone this town didn’t need.”

    Seamus’ mood was brightening with each passing utterance. The night had been bloody, but so had the days been – for the mafia.

    “We’ve discovered the same thing about Beirut. He may have been gen-teel on the surface, but he was clearly conducting recruiting efforts for one of the gangs when you folks stamped paid on his account. He too was a Made Gangster and we’re better off without him.”

    Seamus smiled – a small grim smile.

    “We’re winning this one folks, you’ll make TosaInu proud. Still, keep a good eye out; we’re reasonably certain we haven’t got them all rounded up yet. Good luck with your voting. I wish you continued success.”


    OOC

    The Butcher’s Bill to Date:

    Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)

    Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4)

    Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4), Sir Boo (N4), Sir Moody (N4), AndrestheCunning (N4)

    Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4)

    WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way. Warning: several are close! Get active! Warning PMs have and will be dispatched.


    Day 5 Session begins. Vote for Lynchee of choice; Select Director for Days 6 & 7. Votes/Selections will be accepted through 1400 EST 1/26/7.
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    I'd like to call AndresTheCunning to the stand.

    The case of The Town vs AndresTheCunning can begin.[/B]

    Andres, isn't it true that you PM'd atleast Moros but maybe even more (Dutch?) members this PM?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
    Beste GG,


    Ik neem met dit bericht een berekend risico. Als je detective of FBI bent, ben ik nu dik gescheten.

    Statistisch gezien is de kans groter dat je een andere rol hebt, dus ik waag het er maar op.

    Ze wouden alle Nederlandstalige leden lynchen een tijde terug, welnu, laten we ze een Nederlandstalige maffia familie geven

    Als we samenwerken met de andere Nederlandstaligen, kunnen we een paar moorden plegen en stilaan samen opklimmen tot mafia status (voor zover je al geen maffiosi bent momenteel).

    Ik stuur dit voorlopig enkel naar jou. Vermits gij al langer in dit spelleke meedraait, neem ik aan dat ge al wat informatie hebt kunnen vergaren of al mee in een of ander complot zit.

    Wie denk jij dat zou willen meedoen? Ik dacht aan Doc_Bean, Drisos en Dutch_guy. Kralizec en Stig zijn dood, maar misschien willen ze de levenden wel helpen door wat foute informatie door te spelen aan de anderen. Persoonlijk denk ik dat we daarin Stig meer kunnen vertrouwen dan Kralizec.

    Waarom TheStranger er niet bij? Hij bevindt zich in de gevarenzone en zou ons mogelijks kunnen verraden om z'n hachje te redden.

    Laat maar weten wat ge van m'n voorstel vindt.

    Groetjes,

    ATC
    Now, I'm aware that not everyone speaks Dutch, so I'll give a rough and free translation and summary, there are enough Dutch members though to confirm whether I'm lying or not.

    In this PM Andres is trying to recruit members to start a Dutch Mafia, the plan is to kill a few members and get promoted to mafia eventually. He did not want me in because I would rat on him, how true is that :P. But he mistaked himself in Moros, Moros being a sincere Townie immediatly PM'd it to me. That was a few days ago. Now why didn't I posted it earlier? Well, because IMHO Pevergreen was a bit more dangerous. So I wanted to wait for the next round, but then I got info about other Mafia, again Andres slipped to the background. I didn't wanted him to go free so I decided to kill him, based on this PM and the PM's he had sent earlier and his very suspicious behaviour even when he was not in the game.

    We do not sow.

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    One general note for the town, in a reprise of my appeal from Mafia III.

    Have as much public discussion as possible. Unless the information will endanger specific individuals, share the information in public, and don't hint at the grapevine, something you've heard, etc. The more public debate there is, the greater the chance the Mafia will slip up somewhere. Kommodus' famed formula works on analysing behavioural patterns, and that can only work if he is given material to work with. As I noted in Mafia III, lurking is a viable Mafia strategy, to deny the analysts this material. In a game like this, where even detectives are not omnipotent, this becomes even more important, as it is possible to spread rumours in private which cannot be refuted because the public cannot verify these rumours for themselves before it becomes a bandwagon.

    This is general Mafia advice which has been proven in practice. Mafia or their equivalents tend to win in games where there is little discussion. Games with more discussion tend to result in town victories, one fo the reasons why the popular GH-hosted games are considered so difficult for the mafia. This would seem to mean a certain town victory in this game. However, there is more private discussion here than in previous games, which clouds matters a great deal (the chatroom was considered the mafia's greatest asset for the same reason). Also, detectives aren't as certain in their investigations as before, which makes their private activities less useful.

    So bring that discussion into the open, people.

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    The white glove mafia is still alive... Also... I noticed they are the ones that make clean headshots... pro killers... sofar... One mafia is dead, one severely crippled but ONE IS ALIVE AND KILLING!!!

    We do not sow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger
    The white glove mafia is still alive... Also... I noticed they are the ones that make clean headshots... pro killers... sofar... One mafia is dead, one severely crippled but ONE IS ALIVE AND KILLING!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moros
    A mafia might want to get other rival mafia killed



    Quote Originally Posted by Moros
    But would they ever do it if it make them suspicious, no.
    Maybe they would... It would be a very cunning strategy: at the beginning of the game you have three family members. You try to recruit a few more and you sacrifice two others who try to get as much rival mafia lynched as possible. Don't tell me you are not capable of this. I checked some threads here and there and it appears you, Moros aka GertGregoor, are pretty good at this game...


    As for my post #1277 : the first sentence was adressed to TheStranger, the second to the town as a whole. Sorry if I wasn't clear

    EDIT :
    Quote Originally Posted by TheStranger
    I have a better case than you... and I'm 16 :P
    No need to flame,
    it's just a game.

    Besides, I already told you I am not a lawyer. Gah! Lawyers! Gah!
    Last edited by Andres; 01-25-2007 at 21:23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
    Maybe they would... It would be a very cunning strategy: at the beginning of the game you have three family members. You try to recruit a few more and you sacrifice two others who try to get as much rival mafia lynched as possible. Don't tell me you are not capable of this. I checked some threads here and there and it appears you, Moros aka GertGregoor, are pretty good at this game...
    Well I guess I'll take it as a compliment. Tough I only survived long in one game, got killed in two other in first or something rounds, before being able to do an action. Kommodos, my partner might disagree with you tough. Bacause of me he couldn't finish his story and he called me stupid.
    Anyway back to being serious. It could be a strategy but if I were to be mafia and had recruited several guys working for me. Wouldn't than I let them be the ones who get the others lynch and escape from suspicion and would have got the same thing. Also if you read MAFIA III that tought I was an average poster it was when I was accused when I started to be an "active" pro-townie. Now I was from round 2 (Missed round 1 because of chirsostemos. which is understandable.) The only thing is you are accusing me of so much without evidences or decent argument. Saying something could be a good startegy or saying someone is a good player doesn't make him a mafia. Just admit you want revenge for your death. That's all.

    btw: you had contact with doc_bean.
    As for my post #1277 : the first sentence was adressed to TheStranger, the second to the town as a whole. Sorry if I wasn't clear
    doesn't matter. TS is inocent that I am sure of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moros
    btw: you had contact with doc_bean.
    Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

    Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moros
    btw: you had contact with doc_bean.

    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

    Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...
    I entered the chat when I just joined the game. I asked doc_bean in dutch if he would be so kind to tell me his role and I added ;) . He anwered in duch that he would be crazy if he told me that. Then he quit. Without even saying goodbye. How rude
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

    Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...
    Hmm supposed to have a question mark behind it. Check my post they miss question marks a lot. Because I automatically type points after sentences. Soemtimes because at the end I forget I was typing a question.

    Anyway I'm finishing of my history task (cold war, quite interesting but not as interesting as mafia.) I'm back to awser all your questions good sir.

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    In the spirit of my appeal, here's something interesting I've seen. It will expose me to the danger of lynching because it to incriminate me, but what is more interesting is what the source tries to hide or inadvertently reveals.

    The source is pevergreen. Isn't he scum, and hence untrustworthy? I'd agree, except this isn't material that he's trying to mislead us with, but material which he's tried to cover up. The post in question is #1219. Note it says " Last edited by pevergreen : Today at 00:50" at the bottom. Why was it edited? What did it say before? This is where it becomes interesting.

    Here's the original post, as written at 00:37.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Well! Looks like i got my wish!

    That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

    To clear a few things up:

    I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

    MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
    I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

    I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

    'One still remains/roams" whatever.
    But "you wiped out all Corelones"

    From my role PM

    Investigations:

    If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

    Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

    Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

    *** *** = ****** ******

    The last one has been edited out. Because of this:

    You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington. Though not a member of your family...


    Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

    So one don is close to winning.

    And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

    You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


    My ambitions went downhill as soon as my Luca was killed. Then when *** **** betrayed me and my Made died, i had no chance.

    Im gunning for a townie victory and *** ****'s death.

    Originally Posted by *** ****
    hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.
    Thats why i had ToS FoS HoS at Pannonian.

    Go Town!


    This was edited at 00:43, to read.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    edited out for a sec


    Then the current version was posted at 00:50, as follows.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Well! Looks like i got my wish!

    That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

    To clear a few things up:

    I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

    MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
    I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

    I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

    'One still remains/roams" whatever.
    But "you wiped out all Corelones"

    From my role PM

    Investigations:

    If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

    Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

    Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

    Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

    So one don is close to winning.

    And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

    You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


    So from now on, Im gunning for a townie victory!


    I noticed this as I was writng a reply to something, and saw that pevergreen's original post had been edited out (and was the 2nd version). I decided not to post the reply, and instead just watch what happens, and see what the edited post would look like. So what had been edited out?

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Well! Looks like i got my wish!

    That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

    To clear a few things up:

    I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

    MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
    I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

    I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

    'One still remains/roams" whatever.
    But "you wiped out all Corelones"

    From my role PM

    Investigations:

    If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

    Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

    Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

    *** *** = ****** ******

    The last one has been edited out. Because of this:

    You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington. Though not a member of your family...



    Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

    So one don is close to winning.

    And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

    You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


    My ambitions went downhill as soon as my Luca was killed. Then when *** **** betrayed me and my Made died, i had no chance.

    Im gunning for a townie victory and *** ****'s death.

    Originally Posted by *** ****
    hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.
    Thats why i had ToS FoS HoS at Pannonian.

    Go Town!



    The question is, who are ****** ******" and *** ****? I'm not sure about the exact allocation of roles, but something in the role description made me recall an earlier comment in post #627. "

    CountArach: Also pevergreen, why are you voting for Sasaki?
    Pevergreen: Hmm..i think his win conditions dont allow me to live.


    Compare with the line in the role description.

    Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

    Is this conclusive? No, but note that Sasaki posted very soon indeed after the original post, but did not jump on it as he normally does.

    So I would say ****** ****** is Sasaki Kojiro. What his *** *** role is I'm not sure, though I'd guess one of the *** stands for Don. Whatever his role, I'm sure he's connected to the Mafia one way or another.

    If the Dons know who each other are, then why don't they kill each other to ensure only their family can win? That I can't answer, since I don't have full access to definitions of what the mafia can and cannot do.

    Who is this *** **** who betrayed pevergreen and contacted me offering to work for me? Looking at that quote, I don't recognise the style. However, I have been in contact with various people offering to work with me in various activities. Early in the game, I suggested to Major Robert Dump and Kagemusha that we should form a protection group to protect likely targets, of whom I nominated HughTower and Redleg. That fell through because both replied too late, as I've described in an earlier post, and I dropped the idea after GH's exposure as a Luca despite renewed offers from MRD and Kage. Later on, when I was pursuing the trio of pevergreen, The_Stranger and Motep, Jimbob suggested that we should get together with Redleg to protect pevergreen. I agreed on the condition that pevergreen should investigate TS and Motep. Redleg fulfilled his part of the group (AFAIK), but Jimbob didn't turn up (or at least didn't send a confirmatory PM).

    Other contacts include pevergreen when he was saying The_Don was threatening him (I couldn't get much substance from the conversations despite much wheedling, although I can quote the PMs here if anyone's got the patience to read them), GH when I asked him if he was a doctor (fishing for roles as he accused me of doing), and Luigi VI in general discussions.

    As I've advocated, I've been as open as I can, not omitting any details which might make me seem suspicious. Discuss in public as I've thus disclosed my thoughts.

    Based on the above,

    Vote: Sasaki

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