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    Diet Speaker: The Eighth Diet session is now open for the proposing of Edicts. The deadline for submission is 2pm Thursday, UK time, and there will then be a 24 hour period of voting.

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    Gunther speaks again:

    My master has instructed me to forward this proposed edict:

    Edict 8.1: The Milanese will be offered peace and trade rights with at most 5,000 florins as an incentive. If they refuse, they are to be destroyed expeditiously by taking Corsica and Sardinia, unless we are delayed from doing so by a Papal Bull. Once both islands are in our possession, Sardinia will be offered to the Sicilians in exchange for florins and/or their good will.

    Proposed: Otto von Kassel
    Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, Gerhard Steffen

    Our diplomat on Corsica has reported back about an army of cavalry and siege weapons on the island. Rather than wait for this axe to fall, we should make peace or finish them. Also, Sicily has stuck with us as allies through some dark times. They have shown that they desire Sardinia with their short lived attacks on the Milanese, so we should give it to them to improve our relations, and to prevent that island from causing a rift in our alliance.

    Both islands are underdeveloped, so the goal here is to eliminate or neutralize the Milanese while improving our relations with the Sicilians, rather than just territorial acquisition. By doing both, we can secure Italy even further from attack or betrayal.

    Please note that up to 5,000 florins is authorized. Personally I do not feel that the Milanese are worth that much, but we should give the Kaiser some latitude in this matter.
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    Diet Speaker: Although there will be no election for Chancellor this Diet, the Kaiser has sent me this message to the Diet to serve in lieu of a manifesto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Henry
    I am grateful beyond words to Duke Otto for his achievements during the last Diet. The motherland in Europe is strong and secure with powerful armies protecting our borders. We are reconciled with the Pope and have achieved our objective of gifting him Jerusalem, in a sanctioned crusade no less. These are tremendous achievements.

    My Chancellorship will consolidate these gains. I propose a threefold programme:

    (1) Continue to guard our European homeland, aggressively challenging any enemy armies that menace them. Franconia is perhaps the most pressed of our Houses - I will ensure its generals are well resourced. Swabia will be given a freer reign to strike at the French. Austria will be provided with additional commanders (from other Houses until more of her own emerge) to guard its large border. Bavaria guards perhaps our most secure border, that with Sicily to the South, and so her generals will be given an outlet for their talents in southern France and in guarding the hinterland of the Reich. But I will not lie to you - I do not propose an expansion of our European borders at this time. Where possible, I will emphasise measures that contribute to the strength of our economy, so my successors will have a strong foundation to weather any future challenges.

    (2) Support our allies and seek to impose a Pax Romana on our enemies. We are the mightiest power in Europe - our word should carry weight. The first action here will be to return Constantinople to our brother Romans, the Byzantines. I will launch a seaborne expedition to take the city from the Hungarians and return it to Byzantium. If our enemies continue to defy us, we will strike aggressively at them - routing their armies and sacking their settlements, not to conquer but to enforce peace.

    (3) Establish a Kingdom of Outremer in the Levant. We have two provinces there at present - Acre and Adana. They are divided and unsustainable as permanent outposts on their own. Outremer will only be viable if the rich city of Antioch is taken, allowing Acre and Adana to be linked. Aleppo and Damascus must also be taken to screen Antioch and Jerusalem from the East. Together this five provinces will constitute Outremer. I envisage this Kingdom being formally established at the next Diet by a Charter Amendment. The following is a draft of the kind of Amendment I will propose. However, I ask you not to vote on it now, but to let us trial this arrangement under my Chancellorship. If all goes well, I hope the Amendment will achieve the 2/3 majority necessary to pass at the next Diet. If not, we will have time to learn from any failures and to draft a superior set of rules around which there can be a consensus.

    The Charter of the Kingdom of Outremer

    1. The Kingdom of Outremer will consist of Antioch, Acre, Adana, Aleppo and Damascus.
    2. The Kingdom of Outremer is an integral part of the Reich. It is not a fifth House.
    3. The function of the Kingdom is defensive: to safeguard Jerusalem and protect the gateway to Christendom
    4. The Kingdom will be overseen by a King of Outremer, who will be appointed by the Emperor at each full Diet session. The King will temporarily renounce all loyalties to his House for the duration of his appointment (e.g. if Duke, must appoint a Steward).
    5. The King will command a Household Army, both acting according to Charter Amendment 5.2 (with the King assuming the role of “Duke”). He may delegate the day to day command of the Army (assign other generals to lead it in battle). However, contrary to CA5.2, to be in accordance with article (1), the Army may not be used to permanently conquer neighbouring provinces (recapturing Christian settlements taken by non-Christians and returning them to their original owners would be allowed).
    6. Outremer’s provinces will be governed by Crusading Counts. These will also be appointed at every Diet, by the new King. The King will set the build queue for any provinces without a Count.
    7. Both the King and Crusading Counts must be physically located outside Europe for the duration of their appointments.
    8. All four Houses of the Reich have a stake in the Kingdom. Damascus is assigned to Austria; Adana is assigned to Bavaria; Acre is assigned to Swabia; and Aleppo is assigned to Franconia. Antioch will be the capital of Outremer and an Imperial province governed by the King of Outremer. The Crusading Count for a settlement must come from the appropriate House. They will gain an additional +1 influence (over and above any influence for being a Count of a European settlement) but only for the Diet session that marks their appointment. The cap of 5 influence for all but the Emperor remains.
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    Hear, Hear!

    I absolutely have to agree with the representative of Count Manford! Chancellor von Kassel has been successful in all his promises.

    It's also good to hear of the Emperor's plans for his Chancellorship. I believe his plans to be wise, although an expedition to free Constantinople can be a risky undertaking, for little gain.

    I'm much more concerned with our posessions in Outremere and if we truly try to establish a seperate kingdom there with Crusading Counts from all Houses then we should instead focus our energies on conquering the proposed settlements. Maybe we should even attempt to call a second Crusade to reinforce our posessions and lead the decisive push against those settlements. Surely each House wants to be represented in the founding of such a glorious new kingdom under the rule of the Emperor!
    The lions sing and the hills take flight.
    The moon by day, and the sun by night.
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    Diet Speaker: It is unlikely that the Pope would sanction a crusade so soon after the one to Jerusalem, but if the opportunity should arise towards the end of the Kaiser's Chancellorship, I am sure he would seize it. The timing may well coincide with a move against Damascus.

    On another matter, I have received a communication from the Kaiser on the allocation of newly conquered settlements:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaise Henry

    In accordance with the draft Charter for Outremer, Adana and Acre will formally remain Imperial territories, but be governed by Bavaria and Swabia respectively.

    Breslau is assigned to Franconia and Ragusa to Austria.

    I have deliberated hard over the assignment of Marseilles. I recognise that France falls within the natural sphere of influence of Swabia and acknowledge that Swabia has shown some restraint in halting its "rebellion".

    However, I cannot ignore that rebellion or be seen to condone it. I therefore assign the settlement to Bavaria, in recognition of Gerhard Steffen's initiative in taking the city by a coup de main and above all in gratitude to the Duke of Bavaria's outstanding accomplishments as our Chancellor.

    I anticipate that this last decision may cause some dissension within Swabian ranks, but I can assure members of that House that as a former Swabian myself, I feel no prejudice against them. I am willing to start our relationship from a clean slate and work with them to expand their holdings. I warn them, however, that any further "rebellion" will be just as unproductive as the last.

    Henry
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    prinz Jobst stands,and whispers

    Hm... I certianly don't like this term of 'rebellion'

    Jobst speaks louder, but in a controlled tone

    Good speeches Duke Von Kassel and kaiser Henry, many things have been made clear.

    I have had a thought, but since Ulrich just reached the Holy Land, and either Adana or Acre is now Swabian, maybe Ulrich would wish to govern the Swabian one? It would mean he can't govern Metz anymore, which could be given to Duke Friedrich?

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    Diet Speaker: My Prince, Acre has been informally assigned to Swabia but with Hans as the governor. It was Hans who took the settlement and the Kaiser has faith in the ability of his eldest son to help prepare Outremer for the trials to come.

    As Steward, I believe Friedrich governs Staufen, the capital of Swabia, just as he would if confirmed as the Duke.

    That leaves Metz available to either Ulrich or Elberhard. As Steward, Friedrich has the power to appoint either man as Count of Metz. Both are destined to serve in Outremer, but this is not an obstacle to governing a settlement in the homeland - most crusaders govern estates back home.

    My Prince, your mention of Ulrich does raise the issue of the leadership of Swabia, which the Kaiser wished the Diet to formally decide this session. He proposes the following clarifying Charter Amendment:

    Charter Amendment 8.1
    Clause 1:
    Amend 1.4 by adding: If no build queue is posted for a settlement, the Chancellor can build what he likes. The Chancellor may upgrade a settlement at any time (ie upgrade the walls regardless of a build queue), unless such an upgrade is forbidden in advance by the governor.
    Clause 2:
    Amend 4.7 by adding: If a Duke resigns, the Kaiser appoints a successor.

    Assuming that Charter Amendment 8.1 passes, the Kaiser will appoint a Duke of Swabia. He wishes to consult the House of Swabia on this appointment. If members could contact him privately on who they wish to be the new Duke, their views would be considered when making the appointment.

    Charter Amendment 8.1 requires two seconders. Also, if anyone else has some clarifying amendments to the Charter that they would like included together with the two existing clauses, please propose them and they can be bundled together.

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    The count of Zagreb stands to address the Diet...

    Mr. Speaker I would like second CA 8.1.
    The 1.4 makes sense having been in that position. The Chancellor is on top of these matters and could expedite an expansion because of the opportunities that arise and knowing what is in the treasury.
    Clause 2 4.7 would also make sense having this matter before the house in recent memory and it should be the responsibility of the Kaiser to decide such an honourable position.

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