What Factions would you like to see in Empire Total War

[Martok]

Since when is the campaign map going to include central Asia and Indonesia? (Last I'd heard the map was going to include Europe, North Africa, the Americas, and India. That's it.) Does anyone have a link to evidence of this?

This is according to pever's Summary thread. I'm assuming this will include the southern part of China as well as Vietnam, Thailand, etc

I doubt it, actually. Unless & until CA says otherwise, I would assume the opposite.

[pevergreen]

I refer you to the summery thread on included factions.

The Mughals are in.

[Csargo]

Since when is the campaign map going to include central Asia and Indonesia? (Last I'd heard the map was going to include Europe, North Africa, the Americas, and India. That's it.) Does anyone have a link to evidence of this?


I doubt it, actually. Unless & until CA says otherwise, I would assume the opposite.

direct your nation to dominate Europe, North Africa, the Americas, the Indies, and the Indian subcontinent.

Yeah you're right Martok it's probably not a good idea to assume anything that hasn't been specifically stated.

[rajpoot]

China was of immense importance to the British I believe? I cannot see how will they not include such an important entity of the time, they might just squeeze it in at the top, maybe not even give a special Chinese faction, but the land will certainly be there.

[Csargo]

China was of immense importance to the British I believe? I cannot see how will they not include such an important entity of the time, they might just squeeze it in at the top, maybe not even give a special Chinese faction, but the land will certainly be there.

I don't believe the British got involved in China until the 19th Century, except for possibly opium trade.

After doing a little research it seems that is correct. The First Opium War which was from 1839-1842 according to Wikipedia.

[Quintus.JC]

I really want to see Persia as at least an unlockable faction. Nadir Shah of Persia was an extremely successful ruler during the eighteen century. His armies sacked Delhi and fought numerous successful wars against the Afghans and the Ottoman Empire; it would be impossible to accurately represent the Ottoman Empire without the Persians.

Same here. Assumeing the Ottoman being one of the major factions there'd be no way to portrayl them accurately without the Safavids and their successors, after all they're there biggest rivals in the east.

[hdk330]

England &
Nederland.

Netherland & England has so many colonies at that time. Especially in South East Asia, as an example, they had VOC (Verenigne Ost Compagnie) in Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia.

[Generals_Bodyguard]

England &
Nederland.

Netherland & England has so many colonies at that time. Especially in South East Asia, as an example, they had VOC (Verenigne Ost Compagnie) in Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia.

Indeed...but they got serious only around the 19th century 1820's and above. They have mostly set up trading post earlier and it wasn't colonisation per say. Singapore was only founded around 1815(sometime around there). Malaya was slowly colonised in the 19th century (after Th East India comapany first set up in Penang in 1776 -> roughly)

The Dutch were ealier in the region at Batavia(Jakarta today) and Malacca.

[hdk330]

Indeed...but they got serious only around the 19th century 1820's and above. They have mostly set up trading post earlier and it wasn't colonisation per say. Singapore was only founded around 1815(sometime around there). Malaya was slowly colonised in the 19th century (after Th East India comapany first set up in Penang in 1776 -> roughly)

The Dutch were ealier in the region at Batavia(Jakarta today) and Malacca.

I hope if we play as Portuguese or Netherland, we can trade in with Japan.such as tobacco and riffle weapons.

As we know in the history of Japan, Riffle weapons and tobacco was first introduced to Japanese daimyo by Portuguese / netherland traders.

Correct me if I'm Wrong.

and is it possible to you if we can play as a japan faction in ETW?

[Quintus.JC]

and is it possible to you if we can play as a japan faction in ETW?

Doesn't looks like it. I'd hate to miss out on China and Japan.

Continents:
North+South America, all of Europe.
North Africa, French colonies in North Africa, Native Africans.
Central Asia + English trading posts in India, Mughals in India, Indonesia

Seems everywhere is included except the far east.

[mps247]

I have no idea what the campaign map will look like, but it would be a shame to cut off the far East. Although I agree that even through Imperial China didn't do very much in the way of conquering over this time (somebody tell me that I am wrong - I am pretty sure about this, but not that sure), I think they should be a playable faction. They were of vital importance. I believe the British almost went to war with them because the Chinese emperor refused to trade with a small, insignificant island (which conquered a good deal of the World, but perhaps this didn't count for some reason).

Japan shouldn't be there because of isolationalist policies. It was only after Commodore Perry's arrival in 1854 (I think) that Japan started to invest in new technologies. Their short-lived attempt to build an empire really started in the early 20th century.

Although India had lost a great deal of its power, parts of it were still independent (not sure of the timeframe of this game I'm afraid, so this could be wrong). It would be nice to see if you could overthrow the "East India Trading Company", and build an empire from there.

[hdk330]

(I hope) ETW should put the whole new world in the game because there were so much great histories at that time in europe, middle east, and asia.

Moreover, I hope all playable factions will be able to anchor their ships to the dock of the new land so we can build a trading post over there and make a good relationship to the natives... or invade them all

[Quintus.JC]

I think they should be a playable faction. They were of vital importance. I believe the British almost went to war with them because the Chinese emperor refused to trade with a small, insignificant island (which conquered a good deal of the World, but perhaps this didn't count for some reason).

The Britz did go to war with them, but this was in around 1840 onwards which is outside the timeframe of ETW.

[mps247]

The Britz did go to war with them, but this was in around 1840 onwards which is outside the timeframe of ETW.

Thanks for the information - I suppose this is when the British must have seized Hong Kong. I think that the British sent an unsuccessful trade delegation in 1729, and that one of the people involved made a very passionate speech for war with China in the British parliament some years afterwards, without success.

[Mailman653]

A little off topic, but is anyone else looking forward to the pre-battle speeches? I wonder what an inept commander might say.

[facupay123]

it would be great if they put the southern parts of south america, at least until they reach to rio de la plata, so they could put the hispanic independant forces, they'll probably make the same emerging faction for all south america (if they do it) but it's OK anyway.

[Lusitani]

18th century without Austria faction?:D Very funny

Its a lot funnier to see a game about empires without the country that started the whole thing ...

[Martok]

Its a lot funnier to see a game about empires without the country that started the whole thing ...

Which country would that be?

[deguerra]

Which country would that be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire

According to wikipedia, the first empire deserving of the name was the Sumerian Emprire of Akkad (Akkadian Empire)

[Spankfurt]

I hate to be one of those patriotic douches, but I would like to see, if at least on some small scale, an Independent/playable form of Canada. At least some specialty Canadian colonial troops. Like !@#$ing mounties.

[Lusitani]

Which country would that be?

Not the Akkadian Empire as suggested by DeGuerra....i meant the start of "globalized empires" that started in 1415 with the conquest of Ceuta by the portuguese.

[WarMachine187]

Putting at least two african empires in the game would only make sense.Id say the Ashanit and maybe morocco or the songhay or somethin. the popular notion that the africans like the natives just put their weapons down and walked on slave ships is a complete error.The Ashanti beat the british in their first war,tied the second,then lost the 3rd.An african faction wouldnt make the game anyworse or better and anyone who wouldnt buy the cuz of an african faction has issues.The natives,africans,and indians all should have factions because they were historically signifacent to the period in which the game takes place.I forget who it was that said they wouldnt buy the game if there were arican nations but i meant that for him.

Id be real dissapointed if there was no austria.

[Martok]

Id be real dissapointed if there was no austria.

I would fall over dead from shock if there was no Austria in ETW. They are in the game, however, and I'm pretty sure they're one of the playable factions as well (as opposed to one of the ~40 non-playable factions).

[Jolt]

Thanks for the information - I suppose this is when the British must have seized Hong Kong. I think that the British sent an unsuccessful trade delegation in 1729, and that one of the people involved made a very passionate speech for war with China in the British parliament some years afterwards, without success.

Yes, sort of. To be true, China wasn't as vital to Britain as people are normally led to think. China's only Trade Post with the world was none other than Portuguese Macau. Britain indeed did try to open up China to trade, but it's influence in Eastern Asia wasn't really that great at that time (Don't forget France had colonies in India until 1750), still, they opened up a Trading Post in Canton in 1711.

However, as British power in India grew, so grew it's meddling in Eastern Asian affairs. India was, if I'm not mistaken, the largest producer of Opium in the world (And India was controlled by the British East India Company, which in turn payed large amounts of dividends to the UK Government in London), and while the said product was strictly banned in the UK, the government (Both the UK Government and the East India Company, which was in charge of all Indian affairs) didn't mind the increasing British smugglers, taking Indian Opium to sell it in China.


The Opium itself constituted a great problem in China. Not only was it began to affect, not only the lower strata's of the population but also high Imperial officers itself. But the biggest problem was that Opium itself was managing to turn the economic balance in the UK's favor (Once again, it favoured the East Indian Company, which payed a part of it's gains to the British Crown), balance which had always favoured China (British often bought large amounts of Tea from China, paying with large amounts of Silver). And since the British Government was doing nothing to stop the contraband (Obviously, since they were gaining money from it), China took affairs into its own hands. An Imperial Officer named Lin Zhou was charged with stopping the Opium trade at all costs, and he worked zealously to do so. This, however began to upset the powerful British East Indian Company, as this was cutting all the hefty and newly gained revenues of the BEIC (British East Indian Company).

Then an incident involving some British sailors in Canton, where the said men killed a Chinese citizen and were then arrested for trial in China. Britain demanded that those sailors be given a trial according to British laws, but the Chinese, who never overlooked homicide, decided to trial themselves and executed them, which gave the UK and BEIC, the casus belli to attack and reimpose Opium Trade in China.

What happened with Hong Kong, was that after the British invaded and took Hong Kong, along with several other forts in the area, the governor of the region (named Qi Shan) tried to end the war himself, leading to the Convention of Chuanbi, which ceeded Hong Kong to the British. The problem was that the Imperial Government refused to accept that treaty and carried on with the war, promptly executing Qi Shan for treason, though the execution was later revoked and he was exiled to somewhere I don't know.

[Aztec Warrior]

Putting at least two african empires in the game would only make sense.Id say the Ashanit and maybe morocco or the songhay or somethin. the popular notion that the africans like the natives just put their weapons down and walked on slave ships is a complete error.The Ashanti beat the british in their first war,tied the second,then lost the 3rd.An african faction wouldnt make the game anyworse or better and anyone who wouldnt buy the cuz of an african faction has issues.The natives,africans,and indians all should have factions because they were historically signifacent to the period in which the game takes place.I forget who it was that said they wouldnt buy the game if there were arican nations but i meant that for him.

Id be real dissapointed if there was no austria.

Right on with the native factions! Where ever Europeans went to colonize there were native peoples trying to fight them off and some were successful for a bit. To not show these conflicts wouldn't make sense.
Anyway, the Austrian empire is probably going to be included.

[legionary75]

I'd vote for England... i wanna put like 20 Units of the strongest English ships against 1 American Sloop... lol

[mps247]

What happened with Hong Kong, was that after the British invaded and took Hong Kong, along with several other forts in the area, the governor of the region (named Qi Shan) tried to end the war himself, leading to the Convention of Chuanbi, which ceeded Hong Kong to the British. The problem was that the Imperial Government refused to accept that treaty and carried on with the war, promptly executing Qi Shan for treason, though the execution was later revoked and he was exiled to somewhere I don't know.

Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to write all of that (not just what I have quoted above, but your whole post). I had no idea about the intricate details. It was very educational and interesting. Thanks!

[Jolt]

No problem! ^_^
Many people assume it was the UK Government initiative to send Opium to China, although the reality is far from it. Most (If not all, I'm not sure) of the fighting was done by BEIC Divisions (Basically Indian Soldiers under British leadership). It's actually obvious once we realize the proximity of British India to China, and the necessity to keep many divisions (Due to constant Indian rebellions), in contrast with UK directly Administrated colonies, whose colonies most close to China (e.g. Sri Lanka/Ceylon; Australia; Canada) were either too small (Ceylon) or did not need a great military strength, since there was little instability in those colonies thanks to more passive natives (Australia; Canada). The other possibility would be to bring troops from the UK, halfway across the world.

[Zaleukos]

I'm a bit torn with respect to "native" factions. On one hand you want opposition rather than empty areas in the new world or wherever you want to build colonies, but on the other hand you dont want nonsensical Huron colonies in South Africa either. So the best way would be to have such factions but make them very defensive or limited (maybe unable to build ships). But then players will complain about not being able to colonise with those nations:p

I guess the best solution is to have such factions in the game with restrictions, but make the game at least as moddable as the predecessors so those who want to build Huron colonies in Scotland can do so...

[PBI]

Yeah, that seems easy enough to do; something like the Aztecs in M2TW. There are plenty of mods which give them the ability to build ships.

Maybe the native factions could build some sort of shallow-water boats like canoes which would enable them to hop around island chains like the Caribbean, but not duke it out with a ship of the line or sail to Europe. Then again, bear in mind that the "native" factions are going to include some fairly advanced civilizations like those in India, who most certainly should be able to build ocean-going vessels.