The Magnaura

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis Komnenos stands up after Strator Savvas sits down.

Strator Savvas speaks truly, this is but a self-serving edict, not one seeking to help the empire.

I am disappointed that the ambition of these two generals is greater than their love of the empire.

The Caesar angrily resumes his seat.

[Zim]

At the Caesar's statement, Kosmas begins to drum his fingers nervously on the table in front of him. He had thought the Edict harmless enough, presenting an unestablished House with a chance to gain their first settlement. Now even the Caesar opposed it. Perhaps he supported it too hastily. Ah well, what was done was done, and his second could not be taken back.

[pevergreen]

"Gentlemen, Gentlemen. I have said it and I say it again. I speak for the good of the Empire! My actions are for her. I merely requested a home province for my house! Is that too much to ask! The Order fights for their right to take Antioch, but that will go to them. If you take it to that level, Senators, is not every person looking to take land for themselves? In naming three Senators, I have simply named three who have expressed their desire to travel in that direction, now that Durazzo is off limits. Only Efstratios is in my House. Think about my actions as a whole Senators, and you may see the truth. I merely hope that my Saracen friend reappears soon."

Michail sits down, once more, no emotion on his face.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On his way out the door, Efstratios shakes his head.

Truly, after the bloody stench some made about a God-forsaken villiage, did you seriously not see this coming?

Apparently it's treason if anyone but certain factions declare their intentions to serve the Empire via expansion and declaring the need for a place of residence.

The haves wish to take away any hope from the have-nots from advancing. Thr blatant partisanship and greed of it all... such a shame. But no longer unexpected in this senate.

[Andres]

"Gentlemen, Gentlemen. I have said it and I say it again. I speak for the good of the Empire! My actions are for her. I merely requested a home province for my house! Is that too much to ask! The Order fights for their right to take Antioch, but that will go to them. If you take it to that level, Senators, is not every person looking to take land for themselves? In naming three Senators, I have simply named three who have expressed their desire to travel in that direction, now that Durazzo is off limits. Only Efstratios is in my House. Think about my actions as a whole Senators, and you may see the truth. I merely hope that my Saracen friend reappears soon."

Michail sits down, once more, no emotion on his face.

Once your "House" has proven its' loyalty to the Empire and the Basileus, I am sure the Basileus will grant you some troops to conquer a settlement of your choice. After all, don't we all know him as a fair and just ruler?

With Edict 1.7 you are demanding the Emperor to let you conquer the settlement of your choice. Nobody should give the Basileus orders like that, and certainly not one of the lesser Houses! One might even think that you are delibaretely insulting the Emperor and his authority!

Also, the Senate is a legislative body that works in the interests of the Empire as a whole, it should not be an instrument for one particular "House" to serve its' own, selfish desires.

Your behaviour is regrettable and I am deeply disappointed by it.

Savvas shakes his head and sits down.

[Ituralde]

"Antioch, Durazzo, Arta, what's next? An Edict about bloody Canakkale? Smyrna perhaps? We have not conquered anything yet and already you start haggling over conquered territories as though this were some kind of bloody market!

This is the Senate of the Roman Empire and we are Senators not bloody fishmongers. Loyal service to our Emperor will see to it that everyone will recieve their due share, according to their bloody services to the Basileus and the Empire!

Don't you remember what led to our current situation, have you not listened? Since Manzikert four nobles have claimed the throne and that battle was only lost, because the generals were more concerned with gaining the crown than with defeating our enemies. Don't make that bloody mistake again! Already you are occupied with in-fighting and rivalries, while we should focus on the true threats that border our Empire right now!"

Scowling at the assembled Senators he turns towards the Basileus.

"Maybe now would be a good time to declare your intentions on our various frontiers, oh great Basileus. So that we can prepare for the coming campaigns against our true enemies instead of spending our powers on petty in-fighting?"

[Andres]

It pleases me to see that there are also intelligent and honorable men among us, who didn't forget the lessons of the past.

Savvas nods respectfully to Senator Pavlos Chrysovergos

Our colleague, Pavlos Chrysovergos is right. We should pay attention to the threats on our borders and I hereby repeat that the most important threat right now are not the Muslims, but the Catholics. We have to prepare ourselves against a possible crusade against our beloved city of Constantinople.

[deguerra]

Ahem. While I would agree with Savvas ek Militou in principle, I should very much like to hear how he defines a "lesser" House!

[Andres]

Ahem. While I would agree with Savvas ek Militou in principle, I should very much like to hear how he defines a "lesser" House!

A House with no Comes to lead them, without land nor tradition, that accepts clowns among its' ranks and whose meetings are held in a comon Inn.

[Andres]

The mask drops and Savvas looks at Michail with sincere affection.

Michail, my dear friend. Please, for your own good, withdraw your Edict.

I'll repeat the words of our Caesar:

Ioannis Komnenos stands up after Strator Savvas sits down.

Strator Savvas speaks truly, this is but a self-serving edict, not one seeking to help the empire.

I am disappointed that the ambition of these two generals is greater than their love of the empire.

The Caesar angrily resumes his seat.

The Caesar is the son of our Basileus, ergo it has to be assumed that your Edict highly displeases our Emperor.

It is not wise for House Tapeki to oppose the Basileus, my dear friend.

Withdraw your Edict, apologise to the Caesar and repeat your oath of fealthy to the Basileus. Act as a true Roman, pay attention to the bigger picture, the overall good of our Empire and the serious threats at our borders, and our just ruler will certainly reward his loyal Sons of Rome with more then just one settlement.

The most important thing at hand right now is the preservation of our Empire against the Catholic threats.

I accept Savvas ek Militou's answer as it was given. I too am a little wary of the wording of Edict 1.7a, and for the same reason as him. It was a good discussion, Strator. Perhaps I can buy you a drink sometime?

I would be honored

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[Ferret]

The Ceasar may be the son of the Basileus but he is not the Basileus. Should the emperor voice an opinion on the matter then he could go either way, gaining land for the Empire is not a quest personal glory.

[pevergreen]

"Are you suggesting father and son are the same?

Now my dear Savvas, I can only speak of my own childhood, but my views are not my fathers.

If you wish to prepare for a crusade, then we not only need territories, but a buffer line between. Arta gives us that.

I'm sorry to say I can not take Savvas at his word anymore. His offer to me involving treachery to his own house has made me doubt his every word.

I live and die for the Emperor, Savvas. Are you willing to?"

[Ignoramus]

At the mention of his father, Ioannis hastily stands up.

Strator Savvas misunderstands me. I speak independently of my father, just as my father speaks independently of me. I do not know what my father thinks of that edict, but I am sure if he desires it to be made known he he will do so.

The Caesar resumes his seat.

[Andres]

"Are you suggesting father and son are the same?

Now my dear Savvas, I can only speak of my own childhood, but my views are not my fathers.

If you wish to prepare for a crusade, then we not only need territories, but a buffer line between. Arta gives us that.

I'm sorry to say I can not take Savvas at his word anymore. His offer to me involving treachery to his own house has made me doubt his every word.

I live and die for the Emperor, Savvas. Are you willing to?"

Savvas looks very disappointed.

You will remember that I refused to join your petty organisation of the "Silver Hawks".

[pevergreen]

"I refer not to my previous idea of a group before a house but the offer you made to me and another Senator, who may or may not want to reveal himself, about staying on as a spy in your house until such time as you could leave and join me! I want no spies Savvas! Even so, I still feel pity for you. If you would care to pass me a private note, detailing a plausible reason as to why I should withdraw Edict 1.7a, and your actions, I may publicly apologise. Until then, I shall not listen or respond to any points you make."

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If you didnt read, my house's name is in greek for "Silver Hawk"

[Andres]

I am not denying you the right to have your own territory, but you shouldn't force the Emperor to give you the means to let you conquer the territory of your choice.

It's simply not done. When the time has come, the Emperor shall grant you the necessary means to take a settlement. There's no need pushing him with legislation that seems to be created for your own personal interests. The Senate is not meant for the creation of such legislation.

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I don't speak Greek

And as for you absurd accusations...

Savvas sighs

[pevergreen]

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I dont read greek either, It just makes it look cool. Im having fun, you?