Pax Romanum - Interactive Romani AAR

[TruePraetorian]

Senate Message Board

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Welcome O' Senatores! This board will list all necessary information to keep the Senate organized and neat. It will be updated continuously, so it is advised you check everytime you enter the Senate House.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Today's meeting started at n/a and will end at n/a. There are no time extensions as of yet.

Voting is closed for this meeting.

List of Current Senatores:
Not finished

Current Senate Office Listing:
Censors: Consuls: Praetors: Curule Aediles: Plebian Aediles: Quaestors: Military Tribunes: Plebian Tribunes:

Senate Offices

Today's topics of discussion:
Not finished

Current Mandates:
Not finished

Current Declarations:
Not finished

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I saw the idea a few months ago in another thread and have no clue if it is still on-going, but I think I will try it with a little variation on the rules.

The "game" is simple. The players, meaning whoever signs up, will take place as senators in a new campaign as the Romani. The Senate will be the one deciding the outcome of the entire AAR, at least as long as the Republic functions. Matters will arise, votes will take place, and outcomes will be affected accordingly. Now, these aren't "closed" subjects, either. Voting can take place on the tax of a province to declaring no army shall move in the winter. Anything that is possible in-game, even roleplaying wise, can be voted upon. We can have Senatorial debates, elections, etc.

The characters in-game (FM's) will be played be myself. Since there are 600 senators in the Senate, I don't think that me controlling 20 FM's is much of a problem, especially when the Senate can basically tell them what to do and when.

In order to have voting, i will take into account the number of people voting, and then randomly determine where the rest of the votes lie. Since the players will vote before the random part, the player's votes will have a bonus or negative effect on the random. So, if 90% of players out of 20 people vote on a subject, then the randomization will definatley lean towards the 90%, leaving room only for the chance that the vote barely fails.

For voting on topics such as offices, if the Senate votes for a particular family member to be Consul, then I will "cheat" and give said character the consul trait. This is of course to insure that the Senate chooses who does what, not just the game.

Players can also be elected to any offices, but if they wish to take command of a military, it will be roleplayed by a choice of "second in command", in which the Consul chooses a FM or captain to usher around his troops since he cannot be represented in game. If a player is Consul, he will still have full responsibility on where he places his troops and whatnot. Like I said, I will only control the FM's in-game..I will not restrict any senators unless they are out of context, in which I will make some random event to prevent said task.

I will leave it to you to find out what you need in order to be elected to certain offices, and what the offices do. It isn't my responsibilty to educate senators!

So, if anyone would like to join, please post your full Senator name(ie. Gaivs Ivlivs Caesar), and age. For age please note that I will randomly determine when you die of old age, so not everyone can choose 42 just to be Consul! Also, if your character does die, you must wait until your son comes of age(16), which I will randomly determine when you get a son and notify you. Seems different, but should add variety so we don't have the same people voting the same way and can make it a more dynamic campaign.

And, after we start, it is possible for new people to join, but if you want to you muse PM me. I will then randomly determine if you are a Pleb or Senator. If a player has a son he would like you to role-play that is already of age, by all means you may take that spot. But senators be warned, if you only have one son, when you die you won't be able to play the same family!

If no one likes the ideas, hey, it was worth a shot

[QuintusSertorius]

Uh, there were no "political parties" in Rome, not really at any time. Sure there were certain causes, but each and every senator was out for himself first and foremost. If anything familial loyalties mattered more than any consistent ideal anyway.

[TruePraetorian]

So be it, ive been playing EB so long I was sure I was an Optimate!

First post edited.

And I suppose you aren't in?

[Gaivs]

Not so. Particularly in the late middle and late republic there were certainly political parties. Populares and optimates being the obvious two. Although there was no set structure like todays political parties (labor, liberal etc or for our yankee cousins democrats, republicans). Also down to an individual basis, based on clientele, and a mans auctoritas could sway dependant pedarii senators.

[TruePraetorian]

I understand new parties formed, such as the Marians or Sullans or Caesarians or Pempeiians (spelling on any of them?), and that can be delt with later, but honestly I would appreciate it if my thread wasn't turned into a debating ground when it hasn't any Senators to debate yet!

[STuNTz2023]

ill do it, since im online usually everyday anyways.

Edit : After seein the post below mine

Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila
Age : 29
Pleb

Sharp/Charismatic/Vigorous
Selfish/Optimistic/Loyal
Popularis

[Dumbass]

Ooh, I'd like to take part in this

Name: Vervs Dvmnorvs Assvs
Age: 31
Patrician

Traits: Stupid/Very Charismatic/Langorous
Selfish/Optimistic/Disloyal
Very Wealthy

I can tell this is going to be fun. My Senator will be a stupid pompous wind bag who makes horrible decisions and then uses others as scapegoats.

[General Appo]

Well, I might as well take part.

Name: Quintus Cornelius Lentulus

Some family history: Grandson of Conrelius Lentulus, commander of the roman army defeated before the Battle of Caudine Forks. My father served as Quaestor and Aedile.

Patrician.

Age: 24

Has served as Tribunis Milita. Head of the Lentulus family of the gens Cornelii after my father died 4 years ago.
Quite intelligent, not so good with people, energetic. Quite the generous kind, but always pessimistic. Family not so wealthy.

Might elaborate further later on, but this will do for now.

[V.T. Marvin]

I hope that this attempt will fare much better than the previous (abortive) one!

Therefore I would like to submit my character: Senator Vibius Tarquinius Barbatus.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

My grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-father was Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the last roman king, who in his exile in Cumae, Campania, conceived another son (not that rapist Sextus, the disgrace of our noble familia) who in turn became the ancestor of my clan.

With the integration of Campania into newly-born Roman empire, my grand-grand-grand-grand-father moved to Rome and, because of his bravery, wealth and good connections, he succeded in gaining full citizenship for his children and who even entered the senatorial rank.

[TruePraetorian]

Looks like it will turn out good!

So, you are the Senate, how many people until I start this thing up?

[TruePraetorian]

Ooh, I'd like to take part in this

Name: Vervs Dumnorvs Assvs
Age: 31
Patrician

Traits: Stupid/Very Charismatic/Langorous
Selfish/Optimistic/Disloyal
Very Wealthy

I can tell this is going to be fun. My Senator will be a stupid pompous wind bag who makes horrible decisions and then uses others as scapegoats.

Double post, but this made me laugh

And please note that if you choose to be a pleb, you can't partake in Senatorial votes, but you can speak in the meetings..being a pleb is kinda a punishment since you have to work your way up to a position.

And I was thinking that we set a time limit per season, like say 24 hours? Is that fair for everyone? If need be we can extend it, or shorten it, but how about the default be 24 hours of voting and whatnots and then I update to the next Season?
EDIT: I thought it would be interesting if a vote was needed to extend meetings on important debates.

I know I said I won't edumacate you men on the Senatorial positions, but here are some good quick links to overview:

http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/rep-offices.html

A good chart:
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/romangvt.html

[Dumbass]

How about 24 hours per year. I think 24 hours per season is just too slow. The senators will decide what to do for the year, you carry it out and give reports, and then we decide what happens for the next year.

The die is cast! How many more senatores do we need?

[Chaotix]

I'll play along, too:

Septimus Claudius Oppugnatus

Age: 19
Sharp/Uncharismatic/Vigorous
Unselfish/Pessimistic/Loyal
Patrician

A young senator who wants the best for the Republic, but also sees the corruption in his fellow senatores and is often depressed because of it.

[TruePraetorian]

How about 24 hours per year. I think 24 hours per season is just too slow. The senators will decide what to do for the year, you carry it out and give reports, and then we decide what happens for the next year.

The die is cast! How many more senatores do we need?

Sounds fair, I just wanted to give the Senate as much control as possible, so it isnt me doing things that the Seante hasnt talked about.

For when we start Ill leave that up to you guys. If you want a deadline, how about we start in 24 hours? Advertise if you want also, so we can have a fuller senate.

Oh yeah, FOW on or off?

EDIT:

Here are some more rules(hope they are OK)
To begin a topic for debate, PM the High Speaker for that year(I will start as High Speaker, and what is the latin name for that?). He will put the topic on the list. Try to PM him with the title Debate Topic or something.

To vote on a subject, you MUST use this context:

Vote: For [Title of Subject] (IE.Vote: For Legion Mandate IX)
or
Vote: Against [Subject]

You may cast your vote at anytime, but may not change it.

If somehow there is a 50% split on a vote, the Plebs (players who are pleb class and hold no rank) will be allowed to cast their vote. If still a tie, somehow, the people will vote, in which it will be 50/50 (Ill flip a coin).

Thats all for now, feel free to submit ideas.. Like I said, start in 24 hours.

[Maeran]

The previous one seems to have died along with mini's PC, which has been experiencing problems.

I should like to resubmit my previous character, because I've grown rather fond of him.

I am Marcus Claudius Albinus. Aged 39 and one of the sons of the great Appius Claudius Caecus (Consul, Dictator, roads, aqueducts and educational reforms. We do reasonable rates on lawmaking too), who I'm sure you remember, died last year (if we start in 272BC anyway).

My brothers are on the path to founding new branches of the family- Caius' grandson (already shouting at the slaves) will be the first Claudius Pulcher. And my brother Tiberius Claudius Nero? No idea where his family will lead.

That Claudius is a patrician, but I could swap him for a Marcus Claudius Marcellus if there are too many patricians (although I actually think there should be far more of them than plebeians in the senate- or is it Albinus who thinks that?).

[Dumbass]

I would just like to update on my character. He currently holds the office Aedile, he holds some power and sway in the senate, mainly through bribery but also because of his oratory skill. He holds utter disdain for plebians and people of lower classes. He is quite corrupt and selfish in pursuing his own interests rather than that of the republic. Also he has no military skill whatsoever.

So will we be able to openly debate objectives and rulings in this thread? Sounds good. Who are you going to nominate as the High speaker?

[Hax]

Name: Publius Tullius Lunaris

Age: 22

Sharp / Charismatic / Languorous

Unselfish / Pessimistic / Disloyal
Patrician
Popularis

Member of a relatively unknown patrician line of the clan Tullius, Publius is the first member of his family to have a seat in the Senate. He feels that the good of the Republic should be before the good of the rich citizens, though he does not believe the Senate feels the same way, which makes him something of a loner.

However, he is not a bad orator, and might even prove himself in the Senate one day.

[Ozymandias the Great]

I have to say, this sounds like an excellent idea. Count me in.
Name: Osimandius Fabius Maximus
Age: 20
Patrician, o' course.
Yes, I know that's not a Roman praenomen, but my name is Ozymandias.

[QuintusSertorius]

If everyone is going to be a senator, shouldn't they be at least 30?

[Gaivs]

And even then they are just pedarii so they cant speak in the house.

[TruePraetorian]

Pedarii and a lot of Senate rules:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Roman_Senate

Well, since you do put up a good point, let us "imagine" that these meetings are taking place anytime inbetween senate meetings. Therefore, they are all "private meetings", giving everyone the right to vote and discuss matters. Another idea, how about Senators of Magistorial rank can change their vote once? This can somewhat benifit being elected to a high post (besides the whole imperium part).

High Speaker in Latin is Praetor Urbanus (not translated but it is the position I was talking about). Therefore, I will be the PU the first year or so to demonstrate what to do and whatnot (so I ask that one of my FM's is elected until you are all ready). After that, elect who you wish.

And for people making characters, I have no problem with you puting your character in the current offices, but no Consuls until we start, so no one is bossing everyone else around before we know who is who.

[TruePraetorian]

That Claudius is a patrician, but I could swap him for a Marcus Claudius Marcellus if there are too many patricians (although I actually think there should be far more of them than plebeians in the senate- or is it Albinus who thinks that?).

As I said, you can be a pleb if you want, but being a pleb makes it MUCH more difficult, since you have to become an Aedile to even vote in the house, and you may get bad rep if you sit there vetoing topics of some powerful senator with lots of support, meaning you may not get elected.

Your choice

[johnhughthom]

Name: Cnaevs Clavdivs Cicero
Age:30
Sharp/Uncharismatic/Languorous
Unselfish/Pessimistic/Loyal
Patrician

Part of a long line of former Consuls, including his recently deceased father, he is expected to one day continue the tradition and become Consul. Trouble is he really doesn't like war (he spent his military service making sure the army was supplied and fed, managing to be in Rome "organising deliveries" when a battle was imminent) so he will try his best to get elected but will also try to make sure it's during a time of peace where he won't have to lead any armies in battle. In saying that he hates Gauls so will try to influence the senate into attacking them whenever he can, as long as someone else is doing the fighting of course...

[Irishmafia2020]

Name: Marcvs Rubellius Fulvius
Age:32
Sharp/charismatic/Languorous
selfish/Pessimistic/Loyal
Patrician

My character:

My family has been rich since my great grand father began trading with the Celts in the North for the best Raw Iron available. We are middle men in the Iron trade, and we have expanded beyond our original sources in Gaul, so that we have diversified our business interests. this means that:
1. I am hawkish - War means armor/weapons/tools etc - all require Iron.

2. I believe in Captive markets - i.e. alliances and protectorates should be the objective of warfare...

3. I am imperialistic - as long as the places we invade can be mined (Illyria! $$$).

Also - while I am the youngish head of a powerful family, I am corrupt and decadent. I am drunk or indulging myself with slaves when I should be attending to business, and although I am a hawk, I don't want to risk my own A$$ very often on the battlefield. Such are the vices of inheriting money...

Actually, I am in online classes for the next six weeks, so this AAR might be a great little diversion over the summer.

[QuintusSertorius]

And even then they are just pedarii so they cant speak in the house.

Well, they can, but given the order of preference for debate, chances of reaching them is slim.

[General Appo]

I know I´m only 24, but considering I´m head of my family (the Lentulus Cornelii) I guess the chances of someone listening to me might be a bit bigger. Though I doubt my family is all that important.

[Aaldaemon]

Well, maybe I’ll try this out too… Seeing that you don’t seem to be enforcing age limits for senators… what about…

Marcus Iulius Draco
Sharp/Charismatic/Vigorous
Selfish/Pessimistic/Disloyal

20 years old, patrician, head of his family. His father died two years ago leaving him a huge fortune. He was a widely respected man, known for his wisdom, frugality and bravery. Young Marcus has big shoes to fill. Seeing that he is the blood of Venus, he is a beautiful young man, somewhat obsessed with his image. He thinks himself Alexander at times, at others Achilles. He is an excellent swordsman and rider, taking great pride in his skill. He is prone to be reckless and fearless, often believing himself divine. He’s never had a sickness of the body, being the very image of health. He is prone to strange moods, going from exuberance to melancholy with equal ease. At times he thinks himself a poet as well, but his poetry tends to be too gloomy to be shared.

[Maeran]

As I said, you can be a pleb if you want, but being a pleb makes it MUCH more difficult, since you have to become an Aedile to even vote in the house, and you may get bad rep if you sit there vetoing topics of some powerful senator with lots of support, meaning you may not get elected.

Your choice

Patrician of course. It is so much more fun.

[Chaotix]

You should post pics of the republic and its armies every year, if you can, so we senatores can get a visual sense of what we're voting on. What difficulty are ya gonna play on?

[Dumbass]

We need to decide how many units and how much a legion is composed of. This is what I use and I think it's quite balanced:
1 General
1 Military Tribune (Optional)
2 Hastati
2 Principes
1 Triarii
1 Hastati Samnitici
1 Heavy Samnites/ Pedites Extraordinarii
1 or 2 units of regional allies (Hoplites, brutian infantry, gaeroas etc.)
1 Equites

And for a consular legion:
1 General
1 Military Tribune (Optional)
4 Hastati
4 Principes
2 Triarii
2 Hastati Samnitici
2 Heavy Samnites/ Pedites Extraordinarii
2 units of regional allies (Hoplites, brutian infantry, gaeroas etc.)
1 Equites
1 unit of regional cavalry (Hippeis, Brihentin, Campanian etc.)

Only the faction leader, Consuls and Consulars are able to command consular legions.

This could just be a general guideline from which you can slightly alter your legions to suit your general's style or region. How does this sound to everyone?