Quote Originally Posted by Redled
Life saving assistance can not be denied by law. Your arguement here is false.
I've seen the film of the woman with her second round of brain cancer being told, by her doctor, that her insurance would not cover the operation(s) required to save her life. The doctor said, "I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do." So she cried and she went home. That was not an isolated incident.

So, I am inclined to quote one of our most respected debaters at the Org. and say, "Your argument here is false."

To use this as a point of comparison between for-profit health care and socialized health care; at least with socialized health care they'll try to save her life. Call the effort a commie dream, call it a bureaucratic conumdrum, call it an illogical appeal to emotionalism, call it anything you want, but it's what separates the good from the bad.

Your country and mine live by the laws set out in our Constitutions. Though ambiguous at times, those laws, for the most part, are absolutes. An innocent man goes to jail, for example. His Constitutional rights have been violated, but there you have it. Happens often. But at least the government and society say it's not supposed to happen. Therefore it is not the perfect implementation of law that sets us apart from the less democratic nations, but our mere adherence to the agreed principles of law. It's that we at least agree to try and to keep trying. And the ongoing adherence to the principles of law, the continuous effort, fosters a greater understanding of the law itself and how it relates to and works with society. There is no (can be no) perfection in the system - in any social system - other than in the effort to keep trying to make it better for the good of society.

It is exactly the same thing with socialized health care. We've only had it for about forty-years. It's a work in progress. It needs constant tuning. Hell, you've had your Constitution for two-hundred years, it's only four-pages long and you're still trying to figure it out. Yet you live and die by what it sets forth.

Now, you have repeated that no health care plan offered by the candidates is good enough. Fine. But if you grab the best of the plans, meaning the most socialized one, then you are at least on the right track. Just the same as when you vote for a candidate offering any of a myriad of goverment plans that will cover all aspects of American life. None are perfect, but step by step you build the system until it functions adequately, then, if you're lucky, properly, and then you keep working on it.