Late Term Abortion

[Sigurd]

[...]I find it odd how people try to put forth the argument that the baby cant live on its own. [...]

I can only speak for my immediate surrounding, but this is an important part of the very definition of abortion. It is clearly stated here that a termination of a pregnancy can be called an abortion only if the fetus is not capable of living outside the womb. It is also stated that fetus is the definition as long as it is inside the womb, from its conceivment until its birth.

In most nations of Europe, the woman can choose to take an abortion up until 12 weeks of her pregnancy. Some of the more liberal nations, up until 24 weeks. But there is no nation that allows a voluntary termination of a pregnancy after 24 weeks in Europe.
In Spain, abortion is only allowed up until 12 weeks if the woman was raped.
There is also a consensus that the point where a fetus can live outside the womb is somewhere between 22 - 28 weeks, but that it vary from pregnancy to pregnancy.

In Norway if a fetus is born but dead, it will enter the census as child, dead upon birth if it was 28 weeks or more. The mother can receive child support from the state if the fetus was 26 weeks.

When it comes to methods of abortion, the gruesome picture given by DA is not legal. In the law it states that abortions after 12 weeks will be by the mother going into forced labor.
Abortions between 12 and 18 weeks is only allowed if a board consisting of medical personnel agrees.
Abortions after 18 weeks if it can be determined that the child will survive outside the womb will never be allowed.

Back to my first statement... what to call it when the fetus is capable of surviving outside the womb when you can't call it an abortion?
I can't find a definition for it.

[Odin]

Back to my first statement... what to call it when the fetus is capable of surviving outside the womb when you can't call it an abortion?
I can't find a definition for it.

mur·der

–noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

I like this one, but this leaves the opening for "when is it a human" argument, but the bit about definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation

2. Slang. something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3. a group or flock of crows.
–verb (used with object) 4. Law. to kill by an act constituting murder.
5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

I like this one too, but I'm one of those silly idealists that think once it has a heartbeat its alive

6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.
–verb (used without object) 7. to commit murder.

So dont be bashful Sigurd, most of us have thick skin from being through the manusha here at the org over the years, if you think its murder its okay, you arent alone.