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    Parasiris was never charged with drug trafficking after the raid.

    The jury was never told about the warrant or why the Laval police were in Parasiris's home. The six men and six women on the jury never heard that the police found less than one gram of cocaine, nearly two grams of marijuana, 13 cellphones and four pagers inside the home.

    They also found eight pages of what one investigator described as possibly being the accounts of drug trafficking.

    Parasiris admitted during an interrogation that he had been involved in drug trafficking for three years to get out of financial trouble.

    The jury never heard this evidence.
    So a drug trafficker kills a cop and gets away with it and you all celebrate? Jesus Christ.
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    Way to miss the point...

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    I'm again the widespread posession of weapons - this situation is far harder to imagine here in Europe. But first of all I think that the rule of law must be applied with common sense in every difficult situation which is brought to an court. If the police officer was not recognizable either by sign or call the owner of the house had a reasonable to see in the dark figure coming out of a darkened hallway who raised his arm against him and his familiy an armed robber.

    So I congratulate the decision of the jury but I fell sorry for the death of the officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    So a drug trafficker kills a cop and gets away with it and you all celebrate? Jesus Christ.
    Even criminals - though not convicted of anything it would seem - have the right to self defense. If the police hadn't burst into his house in the middle of night this would not have happened. But I guess just knocking on a guy's door in the afternoon isn't nearly as cool as getting dressed up like commandos.

    Very well done Canada. I wish we could get some of that sense down here, where an innocent man sits on death row for shooting a cop who barged into his house late at night.

    The bottom line is you should be allowed to shoot people who burst into your home at night. It should be noted that some criminals have taken to wearing police markings and shouting police in home invasions in America.

    Therefore, the police shouldn't burst into homes at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    So a drug trafficker kills a cop and gets away with it and you all celebrate? Jesus Christ.
    I might also mention, DA, that what you are facing is the Dresden dilemna.

    It does not matter if the man was the most evil person in the world. Whether or not he broke the law, the police themselves should be following a proper code of civil conduct. As I said, it's the same problem as the firebombing of Dresden, which was explained as a retaliation for similar atrocities by Germany, when they frequently bombed civilian targets; this excuse does not hold up, because rather than excusing the firebombing, it just means that what we did is just as bad as what Germany did.

    No matter how evil a person, no matter how many laws they have broken, it does not excuse the police from doing wrong themselves, because then they are just as guilty of breaking the code of good civil conduct as the lawbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    So a drug trafficker kills a cop and gets away with it and you all celebrate? Jesus Christ.
    Not at all. I'm celebrating the rule of law and the protections afforded us by our Constitution being respected even in the most egregious circumstances.

    Nobody wanted that cop to get shot. But nobody wanted the guy to do 25 years in jail because the cops screwed the pooch either. If they have a case against him for dealing drugs, fine. But that case must follow the rule of law and in this case it did not.

    Also, you have to understand that Quebec has a history of innocent people being killed by the police and the police walking free afterwards. Hell, some cops got promotions after killing innocent people. The public's empathy for the accused is a direct result of that. This rulling shows that civil rights are starting to take precedence over police powers and their associated "we do what we want and you pay for it" attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    But nobody wanted the guy to do 25 years in jail because the cops screwed the pooch either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    So a drug trafficker kills a cop and gets away with it and you all celebrate? Jesus Christ.
    Then charge him for drug trafficking instead of trying to put him away for a crime that he didn't commit. It sounds like this guy should be in jail, but not for murder.

    As an aside, here is a fine example of when it's the police who are guilty of a spray and pray approach, whereas the civilian fired accurately. I only bring that up to point it out to those who say such a thing isn't possible....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    As an aside, here is a fine example of when it's the police who are guilty of a spray and pray approach, whereas the civilian fired accurately. I only bring that up to point it out to those who say such a thing isn't possible....
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    This sentence is well in my opinion. Police should look like police and yell "police" not just enter someone home and terrorise its owner with a guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    Since Her Majesty is also the Brits' head of state, do you think you might persuade her to mention this Magna Carta based subversion to her PM over there?

    When I have the pleasure of an audience with Her Majesty, I will mention your concerns.

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    Police should look like police and yell "police" not just enter someone home and terrorise its owner with a guns.
    Excellent point.

    Before those cops screwed up the raid and ended up shooting one of their own and losing a member of the team, I'll bet they had a wonderful Goth dress up session. Bloused trousers, black... everything. I'm sure they looked cool enough to form a band. Too bad they weren't smart enough to perform their duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    Cops should look like cops, not a South American death squad.
    Unless of course they are a South American death squad.
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    The guy should not be charged with murder, but they should still sort him out for the drugs. The Polics should have been more careful, although I doubt it was entirely the fault of the cop that was killed, or even his team that day.

    Sensible decision by the courts I suppose.

    Wow, it feels strange on the liberal side. But its getting agrophobic so I'm going back to my authoritarian bunker where the police take rocket launchers on drug raids...
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