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    Default Re: My State just took 14 million Dollars and bunred it

    I can't understand how the courts said the state of Texas could go there and take every child from every home with no evidence of wrongdoing.
    Tricky situation , they had evidence for five cases , it was a closed community and one element of that communities beliefs is that this sort of crap is not only OK it is ordained by thier prophet .
    There was a reasonable cause to follow that if all the community thought the practice was good then all the children are potential victims of the practice .

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    Default Re: My State just took 14 million Dollars and bunred it

    And the courts shot down that argument, so they didn't find it reasonable. In fact, they were rather clear cut on that:
    In its unanimous nine-page decision, the three-judge panel said the Department of Family and Protective Services' case was legally and factually insufficient and 51st District Judge Barbara Walther acted improperly when she ordered about 450 children to stay in state custody.
    The court said the state failed in a mass April 17-18 hearing to prove any of its key claims that the sect's beliefs, communal households or underage marriages put every child in the community "in urgent" danger.
    "There is simply no evidence specific to [the mothers'] children at all except that they exist, they were taken into custody at the Yearning for Zion Ranch, and they are living with people who share a 'pervasive belief system' that condones underage marriage and underage pregnancy," the court said.

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    But the appeals court ruled DFPS failed to provide, as required by Texas law, "any evidence of danger to the physical health or safety" of children on the ranch who had not reached puberty.
    The department also did not prove pubescent girls were in physical danger, the judges said.
    DFPS officials testified that five girls who became pregnant at ages 15 and 16 - coupled with an FLDS belief system condoning underage marriage and pregnancy - warranted immediate removal. But that simply wasn't enough, the judges said.
    "The existence of the FLDS belief system as described by the department's witnesses, by itself, does not put children of FLDS parents in physical danger," the appeals court wrote.
    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9347022

    I can't begin to imagine how they could seize 400+ children and give each and every one of them to foster homes across the state without proving any of them were in danger.

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    Default Re: My State just took 14 million Dollars and bunred it

    And the courts shot down that argument, so they didn't find it reasonable. In fact, they were rather clear cut on that:
    Yes very clear cut , doing something that is illegal isn't grounds , it has to be doing something illegal that is also physicaly harmful .
    It is quite clear that the authorities screwed up , they should have left the kids alone , just taken the parents to jail instead .

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    Default Re: My State just took 14 million dollars and burned it

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    There was a reasonable cause to follow that if all the community thought the practice was good then all the children are potential victims of the practice.
    I would agree to that, provided that there is hard evidence in the cases you mention. I don't know enough about it to lean either way. It certainly seems to be the case that their cult was organised around the principle of abuse, even their temple was built in ways that reflect this. Sick puppies. Of course if you plan to intervene, you have to weigh the consequences of intervention for individual children and parents against the probable risk of further abuse. That's a complex issue.
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