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    Well, I'm glad the wise men of the UN figured that all out for us. Phew.

    Do you think humans should not have the right to life?

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    Do you think humans should not have the right to life?
    No, it is a privilege that can be lost.

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    Do you think humans should not have the right to life?
    Why should we/they? I don't have a coherent answer, just thought I'd take the thread in a different direction.

    It doesn't really follow that simply being born grants you such rights.

    And it is also only humans that are granted a right to life, why only our species and no others?

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    And it is also only humans that are granted a right to life, why only our species and no others?
    Because there are two different forms of life:

    1. Humans.
    2. Food.
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    Weren't you earlier denying the humanity of foetuses but it is somewhat harder to deny their status as living things, thus they are food? I think there's something a bit more objectionable about eating the things than just aborting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craterus View Post
    Weren't you earlier denying the humanity of foetuses but it is somewhat harder to deny their status as living things, thus they are food? I think there's something a bit more objectionable about eating the things than just aborting them.
    Plants are living things. Fetuses are living things too.

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    Ok. So? It's not simply being alive that gives you a right to life then, is it?

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    Ok. So? It's not simply being alive that gives you a right to life then, is it?
    Nope. Being human does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craterus View Post
    Why should we/they? I don't have a coherent answer, just thought I'd take the thread in a different direction.
    A better question is why shouldn't humans in general (to answer rory's statement) have the right to live? Why does one innocent human have more of a right to live than another?

    It doesn't really follow that simply being born grants you such rights.
    Why not? You were born, and you don't have the right to live if you wish to? Sounds like how Hitler thought about the Jews to me.

    And it is also only humans that are granted a right to life, why only our species and no others?
    We were intelligent and strong enough to assert our dominance. Besides, scientifically, humans are omnivores. Therefore, animals are viewed in the same way plants are - as resources, as food. Of course, taboos exist.

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    Why not? You were born, and you don't have the right to live if you wish to? Sounds like how Hitler thought about the Jews to me.
    No, it doesn't. I'm not removing a single group's right to an existence. Everyone can die.

    I'm not saying I, or anyone else, should have the right to kill on a whim, but I don't think anyone has an inherent right to be alive. After all, what has anyone done to earn that right?

    We were intelligent and strong enough to assert our dominance. Besides, scientifically, humans are omnivores. Therefore, animals are viewed in the same way plants are - as resources, as food. Of course, taboos exist.
    I don't think that should give us more rights to life, or a life without pain, than another species but I imagine most would disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Why not? You were born, and you don't have the right to live if you wish to? Sounds like how Hitler thought about the Jews to me.
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    There should be some kind of Godwins law about godwins law... the longer the conversation continues the more chance of it being invoked....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    There should be some kind of Godwins law about godwins law... the longer the conversation continues the more chance of it being invoked....
    Then the person who invokes Godwin's Law first automatically loses the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    There should be some kind of Godwins law about godwins law... the longer the conversation continues the more chance of it being invoked....
    Let's just call it Godwin's 2nd law.
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