Simply, NO. I am not going to have that thing on my computer ever again.
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Simply, NO. I am not going to have that thing on my computer ever again.
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Supposing Empire were to be the bestest video game ever created by Man (and I cannot imagine how possibly so with the idiotic AI and bug-ridden nature of its predecessor), I would not pay a cent to knowingly infect my system with vile garbage nor to be treated as a criminal.
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In fact, ironically, I fear that the feelings shown in this thread will actually increase piracy, with previously good customers turning to illegal copies just to play the game without SecuROM.
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There's really a simple solution - having CA not include SecuROM in their games. I will not buy a game with SecuROM, and if Empire shows good reviews, well...CA will have to learn the hard way, to put my response within forum anti-piracy rules.Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
In fact, ironically, I fear that the feelings shown in this thread will actually increase piracy, with previously good customers turning to illegal copies just to play the game without SecuROM.
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If SecuRomed is on Empire, no matter how good of a game it is, it will not be installed on my system. There is a reason that Shogun, Medieval, viking, Rome, BI, Alexander, and Medieval 2 are presently installed on my home system. Kingdoms is noticeably absent from that list. I was really was looking forward to it, but never bought it.
If Empire comes with SecuRomed, looks like my connection with the total war series will be over.
I will just continue to read books on the topic, and look for the next title set in that era.
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"The mind is everything. What you think you become."
"The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed."
Buddha
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As much as i love the napoleonic period, i wouldnt purchase this game, simply for the copy protection that ive heard so much negativity about. I don't have M2, or kingdoms because of bug issues and securom.
And as someone else in this thread has said - Treat as like customers, not like criminals. I have purchased Shogun, medeival, rome, BI and Alexander (which was gonna be download only they told us.)
In all honesty i fail to trust CA anymore, they went away from looking after fans when they got with sega, and now, ill stick with what ive got and the mods for them thanks.
And id rather play imperial glory than Empire, at least i know my pc is safe.
Hmm... if the AI was programmed to emulate the most stupid Generals in history, that would explain a lot.
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I will buy it.
You know what happened to my computer when I installed Kingdoms? I started playing a fun expansion for a good game. No problems with SecuROM or anything. No slowdowns. No viruses. Nothing bad.
Now, I don't support SecuROM being a part of this, but if I've been following all of this correctly, this isn't CA's choice. This is Sega's doing. I don't like having SecuROM installed in my system - it's told me I can't play certain games because I have disc emulation running even with the game disc in the drive! - but I still want to support CA. Refusing to play the game isn't an option, because, well, I really enjoy TW. You probably do too, if you're reading this. And pirating the game would not support CA.
Two rhetorical questions, though:
Will I install a no-cd crack? Yes. I do on every game that doesn't give the courtesy of letting me play without the cd. Paradox Interactive and Stardock are good developers in that they don't treat me like a criminal when I've paid for the game - however, they are not as big currently as CA, though I think they are growing. Since CA (or at least Sega) does not support disc-free play without a crack, however - and for no good reason* - they leave me little choice.
Will I try to circumvent this SecuROM protection wherever possible? Darn tootin'! If the publishers are going to treat me like a criminal for giving them money, then I may as well earn it. Treating people like criminals turns them into criminals when they find out that the criminal way of doing things works out better for them. And as I stated above, SecuROM is bad in some games.
However, to sum up, in a way that might contradict myself a fair bit because it is 5am and thus I am quite tired: I would much prefer that Empire: TW comes without SecuROM. But if it does come with SecuROM, I will buy it, because Securom has not hampered my enjoyment of the game, or my computer's integrity in any way at all. To avoid playing what looks like it'll be a good game (who knows at this stage) just because of a phantom threat that amounts to sweet fanny adams? You've got too many points in Paranoia, general. SecuROM isn't good, but this whole discussion is ridiculous.
Brady.
*If someone's going to pirate the game, then it doesn't matter how much copy protection it has. It will get cracked eventually. Copy protection only ever hurts legitimate consumers, which is the whole point of this thread anyway I think.
[Er, hope I didn't say anything too controversial here, mods - I didn't actually link to any warez or anything, just stated my views. Incidentally, people who aren't mods, I found that any SecuROM problems in most games tend to go away when you install a crack. No links though.]
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To answer a post a few pages back, I recently learned while trying to buy tickers for Blizzcon that I can download Blizzard games I have over the Internet as long as I have my CD-Key. I put my CD-Keys into their website and can now download older games that I have if I lost my CDs and ever feel the urge to play them again. It's a pretty nice back-up copy.
If Empires is good, I think I'll buy it even with the Securom. It depends on how good the game is and how bad the implementation of Securom is. I'm playing Kingdoms again right now. It's still a good game but there's so many things wrong in it, gameplay wise.
There's something to be said about treating your customers nicely. Blizzard sold out Blizzcon tickets in a day. $100 for a two-day event, tons of server issues and it sold out very fast.
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Also you've hit the nail on the head when you said that this copy protection is designed to stop the "average joe" from making a copy for his mates and is not designed to deter the real software pirates. I find it disappointing though that you can support this kind of software. I take it also that if you had two PCs in your house and wanted to play TW with a friend over the lan using the same copy, that you'd gladly pay twice for this game? To the letter of the law? I hope you don't record radio broadcasts or TV programs either. And if you find Bill Gates' wallet in the street I expect you to hand it back to him with not a moth out of place.
I'm a firm believer in that you should install on your own PC what you want and only that. If a game requires a hidden copy protection program then that protection should be listed in the system requirements as is DirectX, windows version or any platfrom specifics. The fact that these companies can get away with this and that some people still will accept (and sometimes support) it so readily even if they know it's there, is a sign of the times. Sooner or later this software will get more and more invasive and restrictive. The problem with piracy is the wide proliferation of cracked copies over the .net via p2p networks and warez sites and not "average joe" burning a sly copy for his cousin "average john".[/QUOTE]
HERE HERE!!!! Could Not possibly agree More with everything you said there lol.
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As much as I look forward to purchasing and playing ETW...I won't buy it if SecuRom is included. I can't play MTW2 because of SecuRom, getting 'no disc inserted in drive' error message, and there appears to be no patch or fix that corrects this for me. I've ended up with a $50 beer coaster and won't get burned again.
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That happend with me in Kingdoms, I ended up using the second disc and only then could I play the expansion pack.
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I agree with a poster above.
I would be willing to use some sort of Read-Only, encrypted and thus very difficult yo copy USB Memory stick that does not install anything on my computer but don't want the Securorom on my computer.
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I'd still prefer to see a Stardock-type scheme, in which we just need to enter our disk's serial number in order download patches/updates. That way the copy protection remains non-intrusive, while still rewarding those who own legitimate copies of the game (as pirated versions couldn't receive patches or updates).
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
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But M2 doesn't have securom...As much as I look forward to purchasing and playing ETW...I won't buy it if SecuRom is included. I can't play MTW2 because of SecuRom, getting 'no disc inserted in drive' error message, and there appears to be no patch or fix that corrects this for me. I've ended up with a $50 beer coaster and won't get burned again.
Anyway didn't CA say somewhere that they would remove all/part of it due to the public "outcry". I recall reading that somewhere...
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Erm, they said something vague a few months ago along the lines of "we know people don't like Securom, Sega say we have to use something, we're working on something we think people will be happy with". Didn't quite go as far as actually saying it won't be Securom, though I sort of hope that's what it implies.
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I believe HT has M2TW + Kingdoms.
That's my understanding as well. CA said that while Sega requires them to use some sort of copy protection, they're also very aware of how much SecuROM is despised, and were therefore working on an alternate protection scheme.
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
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That is correct. MTW2 used to play perfectly for me. However, when I downloaded the Kingdoms expansion that came with that accursed and unannounced SecuROM, my MTW2 discs became a $50 set of beer coasters. Here is my e-mail tag log with their support. Their "expert" analysis conclusion, even though the disc and original game minus the dubious SecuROM played perfectly well on that same optical drive, not their problem.I believe HT has M2TW + Kingdoms.
Are you paying attention CA & Sega??? What amounts to malware has been placed on my pc with no mention of it at time of purchase. And even if one uninstalls the game SecuROM is still on my system. If there isn't a law against this practice of not informing customers of this before they buy or removing such a program when the game is uninstalled than there should be.
Buyer beware....indeed.
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I set this account up to say NO I will not buy the game if it comes with this kind of malicious code. I love the series and have spent more of my money on total war than any other game. When will the executive set realize that draconian attempts to crackdown on copywright are the ruination of a software product. Ask microsoft about what a good idea it was to go security crazy in an attempt to protect MSword, only to watch OpenOffice undo their work. Or I'm sure the RIAA could give you some tips on how attacking people who enjoy music will make them better customers.
To bad, I was excited to pay for the next installment of the game.
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no i wont
i have every TW title except for kingdoms.
i wont buy it even if its the best TW ever because of invasive software.
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Luckily for you it doesn't have "invasive" software, I really don't get people's problem with copy protection. I have had it on my machine for years and nothing has ever gone wrong with it. You all must be really paranoid or pirates...
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Careful, now. You're not implying that the venerable Hosakawa Tito is lying and/or a pirate, are you?Luckily for you it doesn't have "invasive" software, I really don't get people's problem with copy protection. I have had it on my machine for years and nothing has ever gone wrong with it. You all must be really paranoid or pirates...
While I (mostly) kid, it does bring up a valid point: Just because you and I have personally not had problems with SecuROM, it doesn't change the fact that a good number of people *have*. Yes, they're probably in the minority, but a fairly significant minority for all that. People who worry over SecuROM and other invasive copy protection software are perfectly justified in their concerns.
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
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"Would you please create a new Windows User Account without Adminstrator Rights? Sometimes this works as it is a different communication interface in this non-administrative mode."
Roughly translated: "our malware circumvents your OS's permissions and does far too much under a limited user account than is allowed. This is so that we can change how your CDROM drives actually work. This of course shouldn't happen under a limited user account so yes our product is malware."
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I've now had Securom on and off the drive for over 4 months - Not even the slightest hint of a problem due to it. Nothing.Careful, now. You're not implying that the venerable Hosakawa Tito is lying and/or a pirate, are you?
While I (mostly) kid, it does bring up a valid point: Just because you and I have personally not had problems with SecuROM, it doesn't change the fact that a good number of people *have*. Yes, they're probably in the minority, but a fairly significant minority for all that. People who worry over SecuROM and other invasive copy protection software are perfectly justified in their concerns.
That said, this post I'm quoting is true - This does nothing to alleviate the frustration of someone who HAS had problems due to SecuROM.
I've said it before: The entire situation is totally and utterly illogical. Creating a piracy protection software package that comes included on the retail version of the game in an attempt to "verify" that people aren't using pirated software, achieves nothing. The guy with the pirated disk is still going to play the game, still not going to pay for it and still never going to see Securom on their drive.
The only person who will ever see Securom on their drive is the guy who bought the retail version. Once again, this does absolutely nothing to minimize pirated copies.
I just don't understand how the sales pitch from Securom to companies even goes. The entire program is literally worthless.
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Precisely.
As Brad Wardell (president & owner of game developer/publisher Stardock) has said, copy protection software like SecuROM and Starforce does nothing to reduce actual piracy. What it *does* do, however, is inconvenience legitimate game owners and treat them like criminals....which hurts game sales even further (and probably as much or more than piracy itself does). Stardock's opinion is that there's little that can be done to directly combat piracy, so the next-best thing is to increase sales.
How do they do that? By not having copy protection period, while at the same time providing long-term support (in terms of patches & updates) to people who own legal copies of the game. This system rewards people who've purchased a legitimate copy, while at the same time pirates cannot update their (illegal) game copies (and so still punishes them to some extent).
I know I probably sound like a Stardock fanboy -- I admit I have a tendency to trumpet their approach to copy protection -- and I suppose I am to some extent. That said, however, I also have to admit that what they say makes a lot of sense.
I realize it's probably a vain hope, but I would very much like to see CA/Sega adopt a similar setup for Empire (and all future Total War titles as well).
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
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i simply hate being at the mercy of an internet connection to decide my ability to install and play a game.
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Well the funny thing is I have not found anywhere, on any forum for a game that contains SecuROM a problem that has been caused by it. But no I wasn't calling HT a liar or a pirate, apologies if it came across that wayCareful, now. You're not implying that the venerable Hosakawa Tito is lying and/or a pirate, are you?
While I (mostly) kid, it does bring up a valid point: Just because you and I have personally not had problems with SecuROM, it doesn't change the fact that a good number of people *have*. Yes, they're probably in the minority, but a fairly significant minority for all that. People who worry over SecuROM and other invasive copy protection software are perfectly justified in their concerns.
I also appreciate the point that pirates can still get hold of the game but at least it is a little harder for piraters to remove SecuROM. I sympathize for the companies that want to stop this piracy which is eating out of their profit margins, and less profit means less incentive to put hard work into making the games as good as they can be. Seeing people refuse to buy the game because of this attempted piracy protection makes me sad because they end up missing out on great games that they don't know will cause any problems for them, which makes it even harder for the designers to make more money, I have a horrid feeling that piracy may get out of hand to the point where it kills PC gaming
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