Back On Track

[Tomisama]

Disclaimer: Please ignore the following complaint, as I feel sure that it is not as important to you as it is to me (being older and having less time left on this planet ).

If you have “found the problem with beta8 that desynced MP,and we fixed it”, why aren’t we playing it?

The beta 8 mad was complete at it’s original release, and with the desync fixed, it should be re-released again now!

And forgive the observation, but to my memory no one was ever interested in playing as, or against the Mongols. It defeats the whole concept of “true balance” available to all participants.

I appreciate the technical expertise, and would be the last person to want to discourage the pursuit of excellence. But we have been waiting “forever” for this version of the mod. The desync problem wasted many hours, and all but destroyed an active and growing community.

Please consider what I am saying, and re-release Beta 8 as a ‘8b’ (or something), and let’s get back to playing

[Puzz3D]

If you have “found the problem with beta8 that desynced MP,and we fixed it”, why aren’t we playing it?

Because the multiplayer gameplay in beta8 is exactly the same as in beta5, and putting together a new release is a lot of work.

[Jochi Khan]

And forgive the observation, but to my memory no one was ever interested in playing as, or against the Mongols. It defeats the whole concept of “true balance” available to all participants.

I take it Tomisama that you never witnessed Orda Khan and Jochi Khan fielding Mongol armies in MP?

It has always been a sore point with Orda that the Mongols, one of the most feared fighting armies, were never balanced to show this in TW.

[TosaInu]

Hello Tomisama,

The desync problem wasted many hours, and all but destroyed an active and growing community.

That's a sure thing. It was a nasty creepy bug that only popped up in larger MP battles.

Disclaimer: Please ignore the following complaint, as I feel sure that it is not as important to you as it is to me (being older and having less time left on this planet ).

I think no one really likes waiting.

If you have “found the problem with beta8 that desynced MP,and we fixed it”, why aren’t we playing it?

Have we found it actually and are we sure? Afaik, something is suspected and fixed.

And forgive the observation, but to my memory no one was ever interested in playing as, or against the Mongols. It defeats the whole concept of “true balance” available to all participants.

It wouldn't be great if this were made into a whole new version, as that yet again means that some will have it and other not, meaning that people can't play each other.

However, this can be made to be an add-on to the mod, in it's own era. Then haves and have nots can still play the SamWars battles together.

re-release Beta 8 as a ‘8b’ (or something), and let’s get back to playing

That would be very nice,many mods/maps have the same name, while it is a different version. More care should be taken with this.

The Mongol faction was a concern in STW WE, and attempts to fix it failed in the official patches. I think it's that what caused it to be abandoned by many. They can be fun and fair to play with though and the music is a nice bonus. The more capable VI engine should make it possible to balance it properly.

[TechnoMage of Shadows]

I used a Pentium4 as server, had a very slow hard drive, minimal ram and had the "server" working overtime during battles to try and CAUSE desync's. I also used maximum possible detail settings. (edit - on ALL 6 machines in my lan)

Once Puzz refined the unit prod file i went through all my tests on both the refined and original unit prod's, alternating between them, to maximise reliability of my testing.
I am confident that Puzz's refined unit prod has removed the "guaranteed" desync.


I believe that having one version for everybody will enable the mod to begin moving forward.

[barocca]

Phase One - Multiplayer

I have managed to re-edit the mongol and korean bifs from Shogun into medieval format,
i have also re-edited a number of the shogun bifs, and improved on aokubi's mod's as well.
finally several medieval bifs have been modded to suit the mod,

I am liasing with R'as to get the image file's, action and weapons pages to him

in short there will be samurai, rebels, monks and mongols galore.

i think one big mashup file of units, with people negotiating rules before the games begin,
will probably be a decent enough way to go?
we used to have limits on guns, max units of one type and so on many moons ago,
surely we can be trusted to do so now?

[Puzz3D]

i think one big mashup file of units, with people negotiating rules before the games begin,
will probably be a decent enough way to go?
we used to have limits on guns, max units of one type and so on many moons ago,
surely we can be trusted to do so now?

Rules were used because the game was unbalanced. I'm against unbalancing the game and compensating for that by using rules. It would ruin the Sengoku Period gameplay which we spent over 3 years refining.

[Togakure]

Rules were used because the game was unbalanced. I'm against unbalancing the game and compensating for that by using rules. It would ruin the Sengoku Period gameplay which we spent over 3 years refining.

Agreed. The balance of SamWars, eliminating the need for rules and preventing by design exploitive army composition, is one of the major attractions of the mod, imo. My two koku.