Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Ferret]

Someone doesn't have a sense of humour....

Oh well I prefer themed mafia anyway.

[Beefy187]

As i have explained before. During few rounds of the game i have not really been physically anywhere near internet. I just had three weeks of vacation and i apologize if my participation has not been large enough. Now to the game. I would really like to ask what should have counted as participation? Me asking from player to player whether they are mafia or not?
To be honest i dont see any help for the town, me doing that.
What i have explained before is that i dont believe that the word puzzle has anything helpful for the town in it. What i do think is that in matter of fact, it has been just created by mafia to misguide our attention. If you look at my voting pattern, you can see that i have been voting players, whom i think could come up with such a plan, who might have interest for such a little game inside the game. According to that idea, i supect the remaining mafia to be one of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Makaikhaan or Kukrikhan, in that order. Ofcourse i might be wrong, but so could anybody else. So according to that logic.

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

I don't see the point of lynching player whos contributing by analyzing rather then others whos not so contributing. I dont think your voting Gaius Scribonius just because he FOSed you but there is better voting candidates then Gaius.

My top suspects are Sigurd and Kage. Sigurd because he doesnt have a alibi and also because he normally dies early. Surviving this far is rather suspicious. Yea i know my reasoning sucks

Also Kage. Although you have a reason of being inactive that doesn't really clear your suspicion. You did make some silly votes (so did I but im beefy) Also your fierce reputation of being the only GH mafia surviver scares me. (Heh another stupid reasoning)

So therefore im going to vote

Vote:Kagemusha

Btw what did you do EF?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Guys, don't forget that it's night (i.e. no voting).

[Sigurd]

We could probably put Kage and Beefy on our list of innocents. They obviously don't know what phase we are at. Mafia would know and it is not totally out of character for them to make such a mistake.
Kage has been absent which can be read in his profile messages.

Who are the last Mafios(o)i?
This night might give a few answers. I think the mafia has been deliberate in who they have chosen to remain in the end game.

I am really wondering what the promised twist is... I think GH got enough players for it to be implemented.

[edit]: GH got here first...

[TinCow]

We could probably put Kage and Beefy on our list of innocents. They obviously don't know what phase we are at. Mafia would know and it is not totally out of character for them to make such a mistake.
Kage has been absent which can be read in his profile messages.

This is a very good point. The mafia have done a very good job so far in remaining hidden, and I doubt they would make careless errors like this. I think it's far more likely that they are putting extra effort into the game now that they are within reach of victory. Perhaps just the kind of excessive extra effort that Gaius Scribonius Curio has just given us?

[Ferret]

Btw what did you do EF?

I made this post: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=909

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

As I've mentioned the whole way through, I've been in my exam week. My last exam was yesterday morning my time, thus my activity and analysis level has shot up to what it would have been all along.

@ Tincow: It's very easy for a mafioso to pretend they don't know what phase it is. While this seems to be a genuine mistake, it could very well be delibrate.

I also don't like the way Disco is lying to protect himself, and it is my considered opinion that Kage is trying to divert attention away from one possible method of mafia hunting (ie: the letter riddle). Just because it may not work doesn't mean we shouldn't pay it any attention.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Massive thunderheads drifted about overhead. Very soon there would be noise. It had already begun to pour, adding to the overall dreary, bleak atmosphere.

Beefy187 was by now very concerned with all the murder and lynchings in the Kingdom of Peace and Love, but after being cooped up in his house for over a week watching the same movies over and over, he decided to do what had traditionally been done for decades on these kinds of rainy days: risk going to the video store.

Upon entering he was somewhat surprised to see the counter manned by an impeccably dressed man in a fedora and trenchcoat. The man looked up, spotting Beefy.

"Excellent day, isn't it," he said. "The sun's out, the birds are singing, and there's not a cloud in the sky. It's days like these that make you glad to be alive."

"Uh... what?" Beefy asked. "I just came from outdoors and it was pouring rain. I think it was starting to thunder, too."

"Oh, you mean outside," said the man, still smiling. His unwavering grin was beginning to scare Beefy. "No, I was quoting a line from a movie I had just been watching before you entered. So, how may I help you?"

"Uh, um, I'd like to rent a movie..." replied Beefy, "...do you have anything to recommend? Given the current situation, something about crime would be appropriate, but preferably something with a good ending. Maybe The Untouchables."

The man's smile never wavered. "The Untouchables, eh? So not a classic like, oh I don't know, The Godfather? That really is an excellent movie, well-worked, fantastically shot, wonderful storyline, and on top of that, the acting really is superb.'

Somewhat thrown by the grinning man's enthusiasm, Beefy tried to find the words to disillusion him. "Yes, well, I... ah, you see, I've seen that one before. Now, The Untouchables, well, that one, I haven't yet, and..."

His voice trailed off with the clerk still watching him. When Beefy finally went silent, the clerk entered back into the conversation. "Another thing I like about The Godfather is the realism present that you just don't see in The Untouchables."

"What's that?" Beefy asked.

"The mafia wins." Dumbfounded, Beefy watched the man draw a revolver from his pocket and fire, once. As Beefy's lifeless body hit the floor the man gave a wry smile and drew a Cuban cigar from his pocket, lit it, and walked slowly from the scene, out into the rain.

In the same rain and thunder, the black Mercedes drove on, its shiny new windshield being wiped for the first time in the deluge. Instead of searching the town for persons, the driver had a new tactic. Since there were so few townspeople left, it would be fruitless to search for them at random. So instead, the mafioso had a print-out of the home address of everyone who was still alive.

Taking the paper in his hands, the mafioso ran down the list with one finger and then paused at a particular name. Yes, that one would do... it was close by, as well.

He turned onto his soon-to-be victim's street, and turned off the headlights. In the pouring rain, his black Mercedes would be nearly invisible. A flash of lightning illuminated the addresses, which was all the mafioso needed. After another flash had confirmed that he had the right house, the mafioso stepped out into the rain, his trusty shotgun in hand.

He strode up to the front door, already dripping wet, and prepared to kick it in. Instead, however, he found the door flying back TOWARD him, crushing his already-broken nose. Screaming and cursing unintelligibly, he dropped the shotgun as both hands went to his poor, tortured nose.

Out of the rain stepped Sigurd Fafnesbane, shirtless, long hair flowing. He was gripping a very long axe and smiling.

"So, we meet at last," Sigurd said. "You have come to my house to kill me, but it will not be that easy. You will have to earn this kill. We shall duel, as in the old style. Defend yourself!"

"I habe no weapod," the mafioso said, temporarily stopping Sigurd.

"Your weapon is lying on the ground," Sigurd said. "If I were you, I'd make an attempt to get it, to even the odds. However, this is not going to - HAPPEN!" He swung his axe, aiming for the mafioso's neck. He only hit air, however, as the mafioso dropped to the ground to avoid the blow.

The mafioso, whose clothes were already soaking due to all the rain and the blood pouring out of his nose, now began rolling on the grass to avoid Sigurd's downward chops. His first roll was out of sheer survival, missing the axe by a hair, but he quickly realized that he could strategize his rolls. His next two dodges, both far too close for comfort, moved him closer to the shotgun, which was now almost within reach...

A quick, unexpected chop from Sigurd nixed that idea, blocking the mafioso from his shotgun and also catching his suitjacket. Sigurd, thinking he had pinned his victim, drew a second, smaller axe and prepared to use it but the mafioso had simply rolled out of his suitjacket, leaving him only in his shirt and tie, both of which were soaked.

His tie. Working furiously, he undid the knot, and with one ferocious yank got it out of his collar. Scrambling backwards, tie in hand, the mafioso worked to put some more distance between himself and Sigurd.

"Eben iv I die, you'll ged pneumodiub ad die frob dat," he said.

"Maybe I will," said Sigurd, who had left the first axe pinned to the suitjacket and was using the smaller one, "But at least I'll have taken you with me."

He drew back his axe and prepared to swing once again. However, this time the mafioso was prepared. He drew his tie and cracked it forward like a whip. Hooking around Sigurd's axe, the tie yanked it from his hands and sent it harmlessly flying far away from the battle. Sigurd had a slightly surprised look on his face but recovered quickly, turning around and making for the first axe.

The mafioso cracked his tie again, this time wrapping around Sigurd's leg. The mafioso pulled, sending Sigurd face-first into the ground, still without a weapon. Satisfied, he began crawling, scrambling, anything, moving his body as fast as he could toward the shotgun, now without fear of being turned into mafioso sushi.

Sigurd, wiping his eyes free of mud, glanced around and gasped. He saw what the mafioso was doing, so his trajectory. He had to get... there... first...

It would have been a footrace, but both participants were down on all fours, moving as fast as they could through the muck that was formerly a well-kept lawn to the shotgun. Sigurd was more physically fit and was moving faster, but the mafioso was closer and had the better angle...

The mafioso got his hands on the gun a split second before Sigurd did, which was just enough time for him to turn around and club Sigurd in the face without. The viking warrior was sent sprawling, lying spread-eagled on the ground, now bleeding in the face himself. The mafioso, meanwhile, calmly got up, pumped his gun, and blasted Sigurd in the chest. Touching his wreck of a nose, the mafioso paused, and then for good measure, shot Sigurd in the head.

"You know," he said to the corpse, "if you had cobe out the door wib a gud, I would habe been dead. Sobetides you should just shoot."

He walked back to the Mercedes and drove off.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered all the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "There obviously aren't that many more of us. Our successes against the mafia, to put it one way, have sorely been lacking. You have to get this one right!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (7)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
KukriKhan
Kagemusha
discovery1

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51
Caius
Tiberius of the Drake
Kommodus

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill
CountArach
Joe Monks
Beefy187
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
FactionHeir

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

From the above, again two distinct styles. 'Broken Nose' and 'Smooth talker'.

However there has been at least one night phase where both kills were similar. Where in fact there was no way of knowing (from the write-up) that there were two different mafiosi left in operation. Over the past few 'nights', 'smooth talker' seems to have been borrowing 'broken nose's' style and equipment, perhaps in the hope that we wouldn't notice that they were both still alive.

This to me indicates a certain amount of co-operation between the mafiosi.

Kagemusha and Discovery1 certainly seem very happy to stand up for each other. In addition, as soon as I put out my in-depth thoughts, and reasoned opinions, both of them jump on me, seemingly in tandem!

As such I'm going to have to Vote: Kagemusha and recommend that Discovery1 is watched too.

[woad&fangs]

If you read the writeup carefully you'll notice there is only one mafioso. Of course, GH's writeups should always be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

???

It's possible I suppose, but the first kill involved the mafioso talking a lot, without the obstruction of a broken nose. The second mafioso, had his nose rebroken. GH indicates this here:

Instead, however, he found the door flying back TOWARD him, crushing his already broken nose

This to me indicates that the two kills are by two seperate mafioso. Plus its always best to assume the worst, that way, we won't have any premature thoughts of victory.

[TinCow]

I recommend a lynch of Curio. Same reason as I gave a few posts up.

[woad&fangs]

oops, I misread it. But still, pinch of salt and all that.

[Kagemusha]

From the above, again two distinct styles. 'Broken Nose' and 'Smooth talker'.

However there has been at least one night phase where both kills were similar. Where in fact there was no way of knowing (from the write-up) that there were two different mafiosi left in operation. Over the past few 'nights', 'smooth talker' seems to have been borrowing 'broken nose's' style and equipment, perhaps in the hope that we wouldn't notice that they were both still alive.

This to me indicates a certain amount of co-operation between the mafiosi.

Kagemusha and Discovery1 certainly seem very happy to stand up for each other. In addition, as soon as I put out my in-depth thoughts, and reasoned opinions, both of them jump on me, seemingly in tandem!

As such I'm going to have to Vote: Kagemusha and recommend that Discovery1 is watched too.

There are two great errors in your analysis. First show me a post where i have stood for discovery1? In matter of fact i havent mentioned disco even once through out the game. Second, i never said that we should not pay any attention the word game,like you described, in matter of fact i have been saying that we will find the mafia by monitoring the word game. The thing is just that i dont think we find the mafiosi by getting hints from the game, but monitoring actually who are playing the game.
It seems obvious that you are working hard to create link between myself and discovery1, to be honest i think that is only because you are trying to avoid attention yourself. So Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

[Privateerkev]

Ichigo
discovery1
Sarathos

These three have basically been goof-offs through the whole game. My guess is the mafia kept them around in order to have lynch bait. Ignore these three for now.

makaikhaan

He was a prime suspect of mine but it seems he has been gone a lot. Probably not mafia but kept alive in order to direct suspicion on him later.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

I got to know his style fairly well in Taormina. My gut says he is innocent. He is acting just like the townie he was in the other game.

KukriKhan
Kagemusha

These two worry me. All of a sudden Kag is more active. And Kukri is staying under the radar just enough. Plus they both have extreme positions on the letters. Kag is very anti-letter and Kukri spends tons of time on them. I don't know. It's not much but it's just a feeling from watching them this game. I've never played with Kag in a mafia game but I hear he's good. He has kept a very low profile. Kukri is a lot more active than in Taormina.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Pressure needs to be put on Makaikhaan and Kukri, but mostly Makai.

EDIT: Going to do another read-through.

CR

[Csargo]

Vote:khaan

It's obviously khaan

[woad&fangs]

If khaan hasn't been on since the 16th then I doubt it is him.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why obviously?


CR

[Csargo]

God told me

[GeneralHankerchief]

Forgot to make the announcement in the kill post.

Mafia VIII has officially entered the Endgame stage. This means that voting "abstain" is no longer allowed. You MUST vote for someone or it will not be counted as a "no vote". Enough "no votes" and you get Wogged, and yes, the threat of a Wogging is still there.

[Crazed Rabbit]

God told me

Why shouldn't we lynch you instead? You're pulling jokes votes in "the endgame".

CR

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

OK, a fair bit seems to have been said while I was off gathering evidence. Therefore I am only (for now) going to reply to this post.

There are two great errors in your analysis. First show me a post where i have stood for discovery1? In matter of fact i havent mentioned disco even once through out the game. Second, i never said that we should not pay any attention the word game,like you described, in matter of fact i have been saying that we will find the mafia by monitoring the word game. The thing is just that i dont think we find the mafiosi by getting hints from the game, but monitoring actually who are playing the game.
It seems obvious that you are working hard to create link between myself and discovery1, to be honest i think that is only because you are trying to avoid attention yourself. So Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Firstly, I never said that you sticking up for Disco directly, if I did I'm sorry for not being more clear. I meant that by your behaviour (similar in nature to his atm) you are both creating a smokescreen for each other by jumping on me. There is also the matter of this post (926) by Discovery1:

I love how a good chunk of people still alive don't care at all. Me, Kage and ichi.

Even if you haven't been trying to defend him, Discovery1, has certainly been trying to cover for you, Kagemusha.

I, and the rest of the collective town, are still waiting on a reply from Discovery1, to Andres' (who do I need to remind people is innocent, so no hidden agenda, merely a desire to see the town victorious) later post (928). The most important bit being:

2 lies + 1 WIFOM in one post

Do you have no explanation for this Discovery1?

As to the second part...

I've dregded up a number of your previous posts that I believe will contradict the bolded statement above.

Post 513:

Or maybe the code gives us nothing in order to get the mafia, just a nice distraction/puzzle?

Post 857:

I'm pretty sure that once all the word game players have been lynched it will be a townie victory

Post 904:

I still see this whole word game as nothing but a smoke screen created by mafia, thus I'm pretty sure that there is a mafioso or both of them playing it in order to come out looking helpful. Vote:FactionHeir

That's three!

I also take issue with this (Post 929):

If you look at my voting pattern, you can see that i have been voting players, whom i think could come up with such a plan, who light have interest for such a little game inside the game.

In the entireity of the game, you Kagemusha have voted for two people, Seamus, and myself. Seamus may have such an interest, but one vote cannot be the basis for your case against me. And while I'm flattered that you think I could come up with something on such a grand scale, those who know me I'm sure would quite readily back when I say I'm too inept and heavy-handed to have done so.

Finally, you say that I'm trying to create a link between yourself, Kagemusha and Discovery1? And that I am doing this to draw attention away from myself? Now I'm aware that this may be WIFOM, but surely logic dictates that a mafioso would not be so blatant in analysing, and accusing players when their victory is in the bag?

[Kagemusha]

OK, a fair bit seems to have been said while I was off gathering evidence. Therefore I am only (for now) going to reply to this post.



Firstly, I never said that you sticking up for Disco directly, if I did I'm sorry for not being more clear. I meant that by your behaviour (similar in nature to his atm) you are both creating a smokescreen for each other by jumping on me. There is also the matter of this post (926) by Discovery1:



Even if you haven't been trying to defend him, Discovery1, has certainly been trying to cover for you, Kagemusha.

I, and the rest of the collective town, are still waiting on a reply from Discovery1, to Andres' (who do I need to remind people is innocent, so no hidden agenda, merely a desire to see the town victorious) later post (928). The most important bit being:



Do you have no explanation for this Discovery1?

As to the second part...

I've dregded up a number of your previous posts that I believe will contradict the bolded statement above.

Post 513:

Post 857:

Post 904:

That's three!

I also take issue with this (Post 929):



In the entireity of the game, you Kagemusha have voted for two people, Seamus, and myself. Seamus may have such an interest, but one vote cannot be the basis for your case against me. And while I'm flattered that you think I could come up with something on such a grand scale, those who know me I'm sure would quite readily back when I say I'm too inept and heavy-handed to have done so.

Finally, you say that I'm trying to create a link between yourself, Kagemusha and Discovery1? And that I am doing this to draw attention away from myself? Now I'm aware that this may be WIFOM, but surely logic dictates that a mafioso would not be so blatant in analysing, and accusing players when their victory is in the bag?

Semantics. You said in your earlier post before: "Kagemusha and Discovery1 certainly seem very happy to stand up for each other" Now if that is not direct accusation, i dont know what is. The problem being that i havent even mentioned disco earlier during the game.

More semantics about my second statement. What is so unclear about that statement. I cant see anything in those posts that somehow disagree with my previous statement that the word game itself is not important but monitoring the players playing it. Also yet you made another third error by claiming i havent voted anyone else then Seamus and you in this game, when in fact i voted for FactionHeir also.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

So you also believe FactionHeir would be into thinking up such a dastardly scheme??? I'm sorry, I missed that vote and that is an honest mistake.

However with regards to Disco and you. There are more covert ways of standing up for someone other than blatantly saying I believe he is innocent, or something similar. This you collectively have utilised by trying to shift the guilt onto the person who has gathered evidence against both you and Disco. That you are skilled at doing this is obvious. As has been mentioned before, you are one of a very small number of mafioso to actually survive a GH style game.

With the second point, if you are actively saying that anyone who is involved in the word game is worthy of suspicion and we (as a town) should be suspicious of these people, this automatically means that less people are going to involve themselves in the letter search. This in turn means that it ceases to be a viable alternative tactic, because people will be unwilling to utilise it. In fact if you are indeed a townie, your actions may have the mafiosi to abandon the 'word game' for fear of being caught. At best, poor reasoning on your part, at worst the delibrate subversion of the town's resources by a rampant mafioso.

[Privateerkev]

Here is a table for the town. I'm too tired to really analyze it right now. It was enough work just gathering the information. Especially since D3 and D6 weren't tallied.


*edit*

And Khaan hasn't posted in a week. You guys need to pick a new target.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The write up clearly implies that there are 2 mafia alive (this is our last chance etc).

Kagemusha MUST be lynched. He is definitely mafia.

[Privateerkev]

All of a sudden Kag is very aggressive. Very out of character when compared to his early game actions (or non-actions). He's picking on Curio for what I see as non-issues.

I have to concur with Sasaki. I think Kag is mafia. He did miss 3 voting periods in a row but he could have made arrangements with GH to get his orders in.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

OK, I'm off to work in a minute. Due to that and football commitments, I won't be online again until after the vote has been taken in all probability.

As such I'd exhort everyone who is left alive to think every carefully about their vote, we can't afford to stuff up here!

Personally I think Kagemusha is Mafia, most likely with Disco as his partner.

See you all tomorrow morning (my time).

[Privateerkev]

I would guess Kukri is his partner.

Only 3 out of the 7 people still alive voted in D7. Curio, Kag, and Kukri. Mafia have to know that in the later stages, they'll get nailed for not voting. Khaan has been gone for a week. And Ichigo, Sarathos, and Discover have all been clowning around for the whole game.

So if Kag is mafia, I doubt Curio is his scum-buddy. Kag is pushing him too hard. It's probably the quiet Kukri.