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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    It's a democracy thingy, you want armed force to be under democratic control, to avoid coups. It's what the nazi's were doing in the 30's, remember.
    The Nazis did come into power in a technically legal manner, however unsavoury they were.

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    I think we'll call ourselves the Man Scouts
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    Poor choice IMO. If I were to create a paramilitary group, I'd give it a stupidly-epic name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    I think we'll call ourselves the Man Scouts
    Will you be recruiting in Greenwich Village?
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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin View Post
    Will you be recruiting in Greenwich Village?
    Is it that we are scouting for men, or that we are men who are scouts? I don't know.

    It's no worse than "Boy Scouts"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    It's no worse than "Boy Scouts"
    Yes it is. The whole thing sounds terribly gay already, don't make it worse for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    Is it that we are scouting for men, or that we are men who are scouts? I don't know.

    It's no worse than "Boy Scouts"
    Why not just call yourselves scouts? Boy scouts are called boy scouts, because, I think, normal 'scouts' would not be boys but men.

    Or the "[Location] Scouts"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Why not just call yourselves scouts? Boy scouts are called boy scouts, because, I think, normal 'scouts' would not be boys but men.

    Or the "[Location] Scouts"?

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    The Chelsea Square Scouts?

    I mean, 'square' doesn't sound gay does it?

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    Make it sound as dramatic as possible.

    What about the "New York Peoples' Constitutional Defence Army"?

    Or something evil, like the "TuffStuff Death Brigade"?
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    http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html
    Your state beat you to it.

    http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nygaform.html
    Just print off one of these for each of your friends and you're golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    The Nazis did come into power in a technically legal manner, however unsavoury they were.
    Yes, but their brownshirts is the reason for a lot of laws against forming militias.

    Anyway, the nazi's is one example, there are plenty of examples of militias gone bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by CR
    Giving power to the people is the very meaning of democracy.
    The formation of groups like Hamas, IRA or SA is "the very meaning of democracy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Anyway, the nazi's is one example, there are plenty of examples of militias gone bad.
    Oh get off itt. There are plenty of examples of militias gone good. Heck there are Communist militias, that should appeal to you.

    Besides he's gonna call his hunting group the 'Man Scouts". How lame can you get?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    Oh get off itt. There are plenty of examples of militias gone good. Heck there are Communist militias, that should appeal to you.
    Nah, I count those among "militias gone bad"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Nah, I count those among "militias gone bad"....
    'Communists gone bad' is a tautology.
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    Talk about a storm in a teacup! Do what you want as a group. I don't imagine that the State has time to worry about some paintballers with all the shootings that go on.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    The formation of groups like Hamas, IRA or SA is "the very meaning of democracy"?
    Did I say that?

    No. So let's cut the strawmen, shall we?

    I meant that the people, all of them, should have power and force to overthrow a government that becomes tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Did I say that?

    No. So let's cut the strawmen, shall we?

    I meant that the people, all of them, should have power and force to overthrow a government that becomes tyrannical.
    Allowing that will also allow militas like Hamas or SA.

    You say you want the power to overthrow a tyrannical government, and you give those wanting a tyrannical government a wonderful opportunity to create it...
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    I believe Rabbit was simply referring to the unspoken contract between a government and the people.

    (Who was that, Hobbes?)

    Anyway, when the Government does not uphold its side of the contract, i.e. it becomes tyrannical and the people no longer wish to be in the contract, they should have the right to end the contract with the government and create a new one (contract and government) which they agree with.

    Modern governments -- and people -- would do well to take this to heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    Anyway, when the Government does not uphold its side of the contract, i.e. it becomes tyrannical and the people no longer wish to be in the contract, they should have the right to end the contract with the government and create a new one (contract and government) which they agree with.
    All good in theory. In practice, however, it leaves the path open for those desiring a less desirable government, be that fascism, theocracy, communism or whatever.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    All good in theory. In practice, however, it leaves the path open for those desiring a less desirable government, be that fascism, theocracy, communism or whatever.
    With the amount of libertarians and conservatives in America, I don't think the rise of fascism or communism is a real issue. Here in Europe we might see that problem a little bit more, but I don't think so for America. Not yet at least.
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