OOC Thread and Chatroom

**deguerra** · 07-12-2008, 04:20

Perhaps in future all armies with multiple avatars ought to have an IC commander who can make such decisions IC and any disagreements could then be more easily be portrayed IC. I can see where you're coming from PK, as this wasn't the case, but ideally we would want an army commander who's decisions are challenged only in an IC manner, IMO.

**Privateerkev** · 07-12-2008, 04:26

Originally Posted by deguerra

Perhaps in future all armies with multiple avatars ought to have an IC commander who can make such decisions IC and any disagreements could then be more easily be portrayed IC. I can see where you're coming from PK, as this wasn't the case, but ideally we would want an army commander who's decisions are challenged only in an IC manner, IMO.

I think part of the difficulty was in that it was a defensive battle. With offensive battles, you have time to plan and figure out who wants to fight it, like what happened with Arta.

But with defensive, you don't know when the save will be available and there is pressure to get it done fast so the next turn can go up.

I should have figured out ahead of time what to do and had alternates lined up so there would have been no save confusion.

**Ramses II CP** · 07-12-2008, 05:55

Well, I get the impression Cecil hasn't tried out the somewhat absurd jedi generals we get in SS 4.1. Realistically you can win that battle with just two GBs because they're so cranked up and crazy for the killing.

That being said, my impression was that the Grandmaster picked a commander and that commander decided to order a retreat. As a member of the Order I'm glad the battle is going to be fought, but if I had been Megas I don't think I would've gone back and let that be refought. We had a new save and a reasonable in character assessment from the lead avatar's player.

It does, however, seem like something that is entirely within the purview of the Megas to decide, as an OOC matter, so I'm not trying to make a fuss, just FYI that if I somehow end up in that situation don't expect me treat it quite the same way.

**Privateerkev** · 07-12-2008, 06:03

I'm probably the worst player here when it comes to fighting battles, and even I can beat a full stack with pretty much nothing but 6 bodyguard units.

Jedi is not an overstatement.

As for the other stuff, I'll just make clear next time that alternates are available any time a player feels uncomfortable with a battle. We have many different skill sets here. I admit that I am so bad, I get nervous every time I play a battle in KotR or LotR. The only reason I was confident in this case is because I have seen first hand that the Force is strong in our generals.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 07-12-2008, 08:11

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'm probably the worst player here when it comes to fighting battles, and even I can beat a full stack with pretty much nothing but 6 bodyguard units.

Jedi is not an overstatement.

As for the other stuff, I'll just make clear next time that alternates are available any time a player feels uncomfortable with a battle. We have many different skill sets here. I admit that I am so bad, I get nervous every time I play a battle in KotR or LotR. The only reason I was confident in this case is because I have seen first hand that the Force is strong in our generals.

Statement that you are "the worst player here when it comes to fighting battles" is wrong.
I would be the worst player because I haven't fought battles in M2TW for a long time, especially battles where I am outnumbered 3 to 1 or even more

Even in the "Duel to the Death" against ATPG I auto resolved most of the battles.. the battles I did fought (I think that there were just 3 of them) ended up as crushing defeats...
So if someone wants to get rid of there RBG's then just hand them to me and .. well .. you might have a chance to get a new one ..
I'm more of a campaign map than the battle map person..

**ULC** · 07-12-2008, 10:34

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Jedi is not an overstatement.

I prefer the term Sith

Seriously though, I won a battle against a force essentially 3 times more capable then my own with simple RGB. In all honesty, I actually fouled the whole thing up, resulting in about 30-40 more casualties then there should have been. And watching either Armatos or Iakovos simply walk through hordes of soldiers and not loose a single man for almost a minute is downright scary...a suicidal AI can send your whole battle plan awry if they commit their general.

**TinCow** · 07-12-2008, 14:16

Regarding the Cecil battle situation, this is the rule:

1.3 – Battles: A player whose avatar leads an army that is involved in a battle will be expected to fight that battle. This will involve downloading the savegame of the battle, playing it and then uploading the resulting savegame. Uploading the post-battle save must be done within 48 hours of the pre-battle savegame being uploaded. If the deadline expires, the battle is autoresolved. If a player cannot fight a battle that is assigned to them, the battle may also be fought by any player whose avatar will also be present in the battle. Under no circumstances will a battle be fought by a player whose avatar is not present in the battle. If there is no player available to fight a battle, it must be autoresolved. If there are no allocated avatars involved in the battle at all, it must be autoresolved.

The rule is pretty clear here: A player whose avatar leads an army that is involved in a battle will be expected to fight that battle. In this case, as I understand it, Cecil was the commander of the army. It was therefore his responsibility to fight the battle, and thus also his choice to retreat.

This following line has been mentioned as an exception to this: If a player cannot fight a battle that is assigned to them, the battle may also be fought by any player whose avatar will also be present in the battle. However, this exception is imaginary. This line specifically applied when a player "cannot" fight a battle, it has no impact on when a play can fight a battle, but instead chooses to retreat. The entire purpose of this rule is to give an alternative to an autoresolve when someone is away or having technical problems, not to allow anyone in the stack to fight the battle. It is perfectly fine for Cecil to let someone else fight the battle, but that would be an entirely IC decision. If he was hard-set on retreat, that was also his decision to make IC. If you do not like the way a player commands your armies, then the proper course of action is to have the person who controls the army (the owner of PA/RA, otherwise the Megas) relieve that commander of duty and appoint someone else.

**TinCow** · 07-12-2008, 14:39

I have just looked over the game and combed through the entire traits file, and I cannot find any reason for TheFlax's maxed out piety. He has no piety modifying traits and there is only one hidden trait (ReligionStarter) that modifies piety, and that just gives the basic starting piety of 3. I don't think there's a way for me to alter his piety directly. I have to know which traits are causing it before I can change it, and since I can't find the responsible trait, I don't think I can fix it. The best I can do is simply manually count his piety by adding up the effects of his traits at every Senate Session. To prevent confusion, I will also edit any future mugshots of him so that they show the proper piety, instead of the erroneous one shown ingame.