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**Don Corleone** · 07-23-2008, 13:47

Who said anything about taking him in to court? I said I didn't find his comments funny and that in my mind, they were harassment. You'll have to point out to me where I said to take him in to court.

I agree, the "beds and blowjobs" comment was fairly harmless. My issue was when he paused and put the female translator on the spot, asking her to translate the term to German. Did it ever occur to you that a professional woman might not want to have to discuss blowjobs during a press conference?

**Tribesman** · 07-23-2008, 14:03

Well in that case Don perhaps we should ban women from being translators .

**Ronin** · 07-23-2008, 14:23

You guys are waaaaaay to sensitive about this sort of thing....for christ´s sake.

it was a joke....you can debate if it was funny or not...but harassment????

I´ll just pose this question....if that joke was told on a room full of men nobody would consider it sexual harassment it would just be a joke.....just because a women is on the room it magically becomes something else????

If it was somehow inferred that the woman in question should take part in a sexual behavior I agree that it would be harassment......but just mentioning sex?...over here people would just laugh and the meeting would go on......

how much of a prude can society as a whole get?

P.S.- All I know is that from now on I´m flying RyanAir....you never know

**HoreTore** · 07-23-2008, 14:53

Originally Posted by Ronin

I´ll just pose this question....if that joke was told on a room full of men nobody would consider it sexual harassment it would just be a joke.....just because a women is on the room it magically becomes something else????

I can certainly think of a number of men who would have a problem with such a situation.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 07-23-2008, 15:10

Originally Posted by HoreTore

I can certainly think of a number of men who would have a problem with such a situation.

My friends and I used to dry hump one another and simulate deprived crap. Always with clothes on and always tastefully...

If there was a girl in the room and we didn't give her the same treatment, it would be discrimination because how can we treat friends differently? So we dry humped them too. Mercilessly. and any pets that meandered into our den of drunken and clothed iniquity.

Long story short - men are hilarious and women are prudes. We should have never let them into the workplace if all they are going to do is make life unbearable for those of us with a sense of humor. We spend 10 hours a day at work and should be allowed to enjoy it!

I honestly very rarely talk about sex or sex acts on this forum, but when I do it shouldn't be construed as fostering a "hostile environment" if I do it once every few months.

**HoreTore** · 07-23-2008, 15:15

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

My friends and I used to dry hump one another and simulate deprived crap. Always with clothes on and always tastefully...

If there was a girl in the room and we didn't give her the same treatment, it would be discrimination because how can we treat friends differently? So we dry humped them too. Mercilessly. and any pets that meandered into our den of drunken and clothed iniquity.

Long story short - men are hilarious and women are prudes. We should have never let them into the workplace if all they are going to do is make life unbearable for those of us with a sense of humor. We spend 10 hours a day at work and should be allowed to enjoy it!

Yes. I'm that way too(you have to be if you want to survive military service), but the fact remains that not everyone is. And there are people who will feel really bad from things like that. And I don't see making other people uncomfortable as a meaningful way to spend my life.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 07-23-2008, 15:23

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Yes. I'm that way too(you have to be if you want to survive military service), but the fact remains that not everyone is. And there are people who will feel really bad from things like that. And I don't see making other people uncomfortable as a meaningful way to spend my life.

I'm a prude in action and a degenerate pervert in words. I don't use sexual jokes too often because I don't find them all that funny except from certain people (usually when drunk), but when I do WHAMMO. They are the musings of a truly twisted sicko. I'm sure you think I am over estimating - let me assure you I am not.

Plus - you love making other peopl uncomfortable. What does it matter whether you joke about sex or oppressive socialist theocracy? No harm though - I do too. It should be up to the company as to whether occasional sex jokes are conducive or not to a productive and competitive working environment.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 07-23-2008, 14:43

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Who said anything about taking him in to court? I said I didn't find his comments funny and that in my mind, they were harassment. You'll have to point out to me where I said to take him in to court.

I agree, the "beds and blowjobs" comment was fairly harmless. My issue was when he paused and put the female translator on the spot, asking her to translate the term to German. Did it ever occur to you that a professional woman might not want to have to discuss blowjobs during a press conference?

I assumed that by accusing him of sexual harassment he would disagree with the charge and the dispute would have to be mediated in a court of law - or at least a court of his peers at his corporation. If he uses numerous jokes like that on a regular basis he would be legally liable.

"Sexual harassment" should only be used if there is "quid pr quo" or a "hostile environment". The comment clearly had nothing to do with quid pro quo, so we must look to "hostile environment". Legally, hostile environment can be established if he were to use jokes like that "regularly". One instance does not create a hostile environment to me, so i guess we shouldn't call it "sexual harassment" at all. I don't know.

If I called someone a child abuser because he made an off color joke like that to a child it would be a wild overstatement and unfair for me to use.

But you are right - you didn't call for him to be brought to court. I simply didn't know what sexual harassment was.

**Craterus** · 07-23-2008, 15:42

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

My issue was when he paused and put the female translator on the spot, asking her to translate the term to German. Did it ever occur to you that a professional woman might not want to have to discuss blowjobs during a press conference?

That was just a follow-up to his comment. It was rhetorical. He never expected to get an (serious) answer to "What's the German for blowjob?".

The people look uncomfortable because a taboo subject has come up unexpectedly, there's no sexual harassment about this. In my opinion.

**CrossLOPER** · 07-23-2008, 15:52

Honestly, he probably shouldn't have elaborated, even though the woman did not seem embarrassed or humiliated in any way. It wasn't really directed at her personally, so why should she be? Perhaps she may be slightly embarrassed that her boss has a juvenile sense of humor, but I fail to see how this is harassment.