American congress get maid

[CountArach]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what's going on here?

No. Far from it.

[Adrian II]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what's going on here?

Never mind. Just get mad like everyone else.

[Lemur]

And here I was going to hire a maid ...

[Rhyfelwyr]

BLAAAAAAARG!!!



BARTIX!!!



POLAND!!!!!

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[Louis VI the Fat]

Anything can be looked up. (Or linked to, when opening a thread!). There's also good link somewhere on page one of this thread.

I found an internet that runs the story:

A resolution urging Poland to 'immediately enact' legislation on the restitution of property confiscated by the Germans during the war and by the communists afterwards was endorsed yesterday by the US House of Representatives' Committee on Foreign Affairs

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The committee wants the restitution process to be 'unbureaucratic, simple, transparent, and timely' so that it 'results in a real benefit' for the former owners, many of whom 'well into their 80s or older'.

The resolutions mentions also Lithuania, but it criticises Poland as 'virtually alone among post-communist countries' in having failed to enact restitution legislation.


The Donald Tusk administration has been drawing up a bill on the restitution of property confiscated by the communists after WWII. The bill is to be ready by September, and by October is should be submitted to parliament.

'We'll adopt solutions that are both acceptable for the budget and do justice, partly at least', Mr Tusk said Monday.

Asked whether in such a case the resolution wasn't unnecessary, the adviser of one of the congressmen on the committee told Gazeta, 'The consecutive Polish cabinets told us not to rush them. And so we've been waiting for almost twenty years. We took a lot of pressure from our voters to remind the Polish government about this issue. And let me assure you that this resolution could have been much firmer'.

The resolution, a fourth one on the issue that can be adopted by the whole Congress, was lobbied through by American Jewish organisations.

Asked whether he realised what burden the restitution would create for the Polish budget, the congressman's adviser said, 'If you had done it ten years ago, the cost would have been much lower. Besides, no one is expecting you to pay 100 or even 50 percent of the property value. The point is that Poland has done nothing for almost twenty years'.

The Senate's foreign affairs committee is to vote on a similar resolution shortly. If it's passed, the two resolutions will likely be merged into one to become the US Congress's official position.

However the resolution will be but an appeal and will not result in any more decisive steps towards Poland.

During the same session, and unanimously too, the House committee passed a resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, who died in May this year, a 'woman whose courage and heroic efforts helped to save over 2,500 Jewish children from the Holocaust'. The resolution mentions that Ms Sendlerowa worked for the 'underground group Żegota', but says nothing of the fact that Żegota was an official organisation of the Polish Underground State.

Why is any of this America's responsibility?

This, I would say, is precisely Krook's point...

Why does America need to give compensation to people we did not take things from?

This, I would say, is precisely Krook's point...

With the difference being that Krook makes the - confusingly stated, somewhat single-sided, tentatively anti-Semitic, yet nevertheless more accurate - observation that it is America that insists Poland gives compensation to people Poland did not take things from, including to Americans.

[Tribesman]

observation that it is America that insists Poland gives compensation to people Poland did not take things from

Its a standard point of law Louis , if you recieve stolen goods you have no legitimate claim to them .
Besides which should I mention the nice little thing from the SS archives where they wonder at the marvelous increase in efficiency in rounding up Jews for slaughter by the simple step of awarding one third of each Jews possesions to any decent Pole who turned in one of them evil Jews .
But hey I wouldn't want to mention that as some people like to say.....Learn history and stop being idiots ..but they really don't want to learn their history and stop being idiots .

[KrooK]

Tribesman learn history.
That property has been stolen by Germans and big part of it was taken by Americans or Russians after war. Poles found hardly anything because most expensive things were taken to Germany.
American law point do not apply to Poland because American law is not polish law and due to that any American can not tell any Pole what he should do in Poland.

In polish law point
If you receive stolen gods and you are into good faith (for example you found it and it can't be define as treasure) then after 3 years it is your.
If you receive ground of hous and you are into good faith and it is your by 20 years, you can claim it your. If you are not into good faith - you need 30 years. - Polish Civil Code
And this is only law point that is important into this case.

[Tribesman]

Rubbish Krook , if that were the case then how can Poland have laws that people can claim for properties taken over 60 years ago .

American law point do not apply to Poland because American law is not polish law and due to that any American can not tell any Pole what he should do in Poland.

You really havn't got a clue what the resolution means have you
I urge you to study it

[CountArach]

BLAAAAAAARG!!!



BARTIX!!!

That is the first time in a while that the Backroom has made me actually lol.

[Samurai Waki]

The last time I checked, We (Americans) never stepped foot in Poland, at any time, except to unload cargo ships, and refuel at Danzig and then they're off on their merry way again, no stealing from Jews here. And a large majority of the Jewish "goods" taken by American soldiers during WWII was subsequently returned, or sed ex-soldier would've faced pretty severe retribution. Of course a few slip through the fingers, but that can't be helped.
I'm sure of course that the Jewish Committee has banged at the Russian's door a couple of times, and got the subsequent middle finger, so next they turn and whine to our Congress who can yell really well, but isn't good at much else.

...and I want an American Congress Maid...

[Tribesman]

The last time I checked, We (Americans) never stepped foot in Poland, at any time, except to unload cargo ships, and refuel at Danzig and then they're off on their merry way again, no stealing from Jews here.

You must understand Wakizashi . America is run by the jews as part of the global zionist cabal and while America itself didn't go to Poland stealing all the property the worldwide conspiracy did , this is shown by the well established fact that communism is a jewish conspiracy and the communists did go to poland and they did steal . The links between jews and communism is undeniable and is very well illustrated by the fact that when there was a regime strong enough to attempt to take on this threat european jews en masse crammed themselves onto trains and headed east and east was where their communist conspiracy had its roots .

Besides which everyone knows that urging someone to do something is actually code for "do it before we do a blood libel on you and make a human sacrafice of all your little babies" and the fact that other countries have paid up to avoid having their babies slaughtered shows just how real and global this conspiracy is .
Now some might argue that American jews and their passivity is responsible for the holocaust and they wish to blame others , like for example the Poles . But you must understand that they were not really passive at all they were just too busy doing all their sums to work out how much they could steal from Poland and elsewhere in the future .

[Hosakawa Tito]

And here I was going to hire a maid ...

Every man needs a maid....

[KrooK]

I just found something.
If American want Poland to pay compensation it should start from America.
1) Native American lost their country.
2) They were sent to gettos.
3) Blacks were hijacked, taken to USA and forced to work.

Pay for that USA.

[Tribesman]

BOLLOX

I just found something.

Was it down the back of the sofa with a pile of old zlotys a broken hair clip and some belly button fluff?

[Kralizec]

Slight problem there though Louis , the Swiss handed over holocaust victims money to Poland , Poland has not passed that money on , it kept it .
Now I do understand its quite complicated , but if they can pass laws which mean that Poles can claim for assets that their families lost when Poland lost its eastern areas why can they not do the same for families of Polish Jews ?

Do tell more? I frankly don't know much about Swiss banking, but somehow I always thought that they kept (most of) the money from WWII and the records closed under the guise of banking secrecy.

Krook - I'm slightly suspicious of why the Congress passed this resolution and it's none of their business to begin with, but they do have a point, don't they?
People with blood on their hands shouldn't be compensated, naturally..
And of course there are people who lost their lands because of foreign invaders and not by any fault of Poland itself - but the Polish government could have indirectly profited from it when the land or goods were "returned" after the war.

[KrooK]

What was returned?
Practically nothing. Russians never gave back anything they have stolen.
Germans only part, Americans nothing.
Polish government did not benefit from WW2. Poland was given eastern part of Germany but lost its own Eastern Part.
Territories given were previously under Russian occupation and most of property there was stolen (practically all industry and expensive things). Poland had to rebuilt itself - without cash from Marschall plan and without support of Russia.
So if anyone want any compensation - call Putin, Medviediev or Merkel.

BTW people who feel themselves as punished by nationalisation of property into polish cities during communism can sue Poland into POLISH COURTS. Sometimes they are winning cases, sometimes not - but this is good way.

Tribesman
<Its your brain. Krook might yell about world jewish conspiracy. Eat him now.... >

BTW I wont be joking from your flag because I don't even have time to check what is it. I don't care.

[Tribesman]

Kook

[PanzerJaeger]

Was it down the back of the sofa with a pile of old zlotys a broken hair clip and some belly button fluff?

I almost spilled my drink. Bravo!



@Krook - You just found out that America has issues with its natives and black people? How big is the rock Poland is hiding under?

Also - what was stolen from Poland by America? Your anger over the pillage would be better directed towards your immediate neighbors. Although, one could say they were taking back what was stolen from them at Versailles - if one really wanted to make a Pole maid.

[KrooK]

Property were stolen by Germans. After war or in the end of war most property stolen by Germans captured Brits and American. Not much was given back.

[CrossLOPER]

Property were stolen by Germans. After war or in the end of war most property stolen by Germans captured Brits and American. Not much was given back.

You do realize that a lot of the smaller items were probably looted by random people and are now extremely difficult to trace. I believe the larger items have been returned a while ago. There are exceptions. Priam's treasure is still held in Russia out of spite. Then again, Heinrich Schliemann allegedly stole the treasure from Turkey, so.....

[Banquo's Ghost]

I was listening to a fascinating programme on the BBC's Radio 4 about a small part of this issue.

Broadcast as part of the tribute to Charles Wheeler, the programme followed his story about the restitution of a small piece of looted art that had come into his possession during his time in Germany just after the war.

Quite uplifting as an individual act of restitution. Well worth listening - follow the link for "Looted Art" at the bottom of the page.

[KarlXII]

Property were stolen by Germans. After war or in the end of war most property stolen by Germans captured Brits and American. Not much was given back.

I think you should be lucky your country was given independance.

[KrooK]

Independence - are you joking. Given - you miss last 65 years.
For 50 years my country was Russian colony.
Now we are ireally independent - and we gain it alone - without any real help.
It costed milions of Poles but yes - we are independent now.

[KarlXII]

Independence - are you joking. Given - you miss last 65 years.
For 50 years my country was Russian colony.
Now we are ireally independent - and we gain it alone - without any real help.
It costed milions of Poles but yes - we are independent now.

Communist or not, you were still granted independance from Soviet Russia. The end of Communist Poland was due to a democratic change of government, however, the Polish nation has been sovereign ever since Russia gave it it's independance.

[Conradus]

De jure, yes, but we all know that reality was a little different.

[PanzerJaeger]

Poland truly belongs to Germany. Everyone knows this to be true.

[KarlXII]

Poland truly belongs to Germany. Everyone knows this to be true.

I'd like to see where Germany has any claim to Poland, other than the agressive conquest in the Second World War.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'd like to see where Germany has any claim to Poland, other than the agressive conquest in the Second World War.

Modern Germany has no claims, but Germany could lay valid claim to Prussia, including Danzig and Königsberg, as well as the Silesian towns of Breslau and Oppeln.

[KarlXII]

Modern Germany has no claims, but Germany could lay valid claim to Prussia, including Danzig and Königsberg, as well as the Silesian towns of Breslau and Oppeln.

Must suck losing two wars in a row then.....

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Must suck losing two wars in a row then.....

It certainly does, especially when you didn't start the first one that led to the second.