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[KarlXII]

Poland truly belongs to Germany. Everyone knows this to be true.

I'd like to see where Germany has any claim to Poland, other than the agressive conquest in the Second World War.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'd like to see where Germany has any claim to Poland, other than the agressive conquest in the Second World War.

Modern Germany has no claims, but Germany could lay valid claim to Prussia, including Danzig and Königsberg, as well as the Silesian towns of Breslau and Oppeln.

[KarlXII]

Modern Germany has no claims, but Germany could lay valid claim to Prussia, including Danzig and Königsberg, as well as the Silesian towns of Breslau and Oppeln.

Must suck losing two wars in a row then.....

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Must suck losing two wars in a row then.....

It certainly does, especially when you didn't start the first one that led to the second.

[HoreTore]

It certainly does, especially when you didn't start the first one that led to the second.

The first one led to the second? No, a bunch of idiot germans led to the second.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The first one led to the second? No, a bunch of idiot germans led to the second.

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

[PBI]

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

I think it's fair to say it's a bit more complicated than that. Just like it's a little simplistic to say WWI was "Germany's fault".

[Conradus]

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

The Treaty of Versailles was indeed rather harsh for Germany and her allies, yet as much was to be expected then. The Franco-Prussian war of 1871 wasn't ended nicely either.

But claiming that 'stupid -little- germans' had no (large) part in WWII is utter nonsense.

[KarlXII]

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

If it weren't for the Franco-Prussian War, the first would not have happened.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The first one led to the second? No, a bunch of idiot germans led to the second.

Indeed.

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

'Boohoo...If only my mum would've bought me that XBox when I was eight and if only my teachers would've laid off on me when I was twelve and if only she wouldn't have dumped me then I would never have become a gas station robbing piece of trash your honour...boohoo...cry...whine....'

[PanzerJaeger]

I'd like to see where Germany has any claim to Poland, other than the agressive conquest in the Second World War.

Why so serious?


EDIT: Lets have some fun.

Poland was a creation of Versailles, 123 years after it fell apart due to its own weakness. There were a lot of nations around in 1795 that were absorbed into larger states - do they all deserve to get in on that action?

[KarlXII]

Why so serious?


EDIT: Lets have some fun.

Poland was a creation of Versailles, 123 years after it fell apart due to its own weakness. There were a lot of nations around in 1795 that were absorbed into larger states - do they all deserve to get in on that action?

With the same reasoning, Germany should start looking like this:


I mean, Germany did fall apart due to it's own weakness, why not split it back up?

[PanzerJaeger]

With the same reasoning, Germany should start looking like this:


I mean, Germany did fall apart due to it's own weakness, why not split it back up?

Now you're thinking.

"The Germany of today is no longer a great nation, it has become a province of Europe."

-Joachim Peiper

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I mean, Germany did fall apart due to it's own weakness, why not split it back up?

Germany is partitioned.

[Brenus]

"It certainly does, especially when you didn't start the first one that led to the second." Didn't but helped the one which did (Austria against Serbia) then invaded a neutral country (Belgium) then...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Didn't but helped the one which did (Austria against Serbia) then invaded a neutral country (Belgium) then...

When France and Russia were massing troops on the German borders before the war and Germany needed to try to knock France out of the war quickly...

Really, you can't blame Germany for that war more than any other nation.

[LittleGrizzly]

After debates i have read on here i have decided world war 1 was equally the fault of the great powers, Russia and France had mobilised thier forces before Germany and if i understand the economics of it correctly there is no way russia and france could afford to mobilise thier forces and not use them.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Germany is partitioned.

Yes, it is. Why was it partitioned? Because of the proclivity of German warmongers to see daggers stabbed in the back, to blame others, to blame international Jewry for all the misery that German warmongery has brought upon Germany. That's why Dresden was firebombed. That's why the Germans were expelled from the East. That's why the lands were never returned. If you seek any blame for the loss of the East, blame it on the nazis and their goosestepping fanboys. They are the betrayers of Germany, the ones responsible for everything Germany had to endure.

Gah! Goethe and Schiller. Bach and Beethoven. Cologne Cathedral. And then some see in goosestepping imbeciles murdering Jewish peasants in the Ukraine the pinnacle of two millenia of German civilisation.

Why do you hate Germany?

[PanzerJaeger]

Yes, it is. Why was it partitioned? Because of the proclivity of German warmongers to see daggers stabbed in the back, to blame others, to blame international Jewry for all the misery that German warmongery has brought upon Germany.

Unfortunately, the allies, especially the French, bolstered this particular Nazi proclivity and gave it creedence in the eyes of most Germans of the time. Isn't that what's currently being discussed in this wandering thread?

[LittleGrizzly]

This direct Soviet influence can be easily recognized in the outright military support given to the Spanish communists.

Weren't they just supporting the republic against the facists, to be honest i think its shocking western countrys didn't help out spain but let them get taken over by franco...

Lenin almost immediately attempted to spread the revolution into Europe through direct warfare. After that disaster, the USSR had a major part in founding, funding, guiding and even directly controlling the various communist movements throughout Europe and Asia to varying degrees and by the 30's they were little more than agents of Soviet policy.

I don't think the soviet union had much if any at all control over its partys abroad, as shown by china after getting power they are not going to follow the soviet union blindly they are going to follow thier own policys, communism was as much an excuse for germany to go all facist as it would have been for britian or france to turn facist just because there was the threat of germany.

If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles, the second would not have happened.

Whilst that doesn't shift much blame off the germans i do think its true, the harsh conditions we imposed and forced the first goverment to agree too put them off a terrible start, though i think it could have still worked until the wall street crash (which you could also say if it weren't for it wouldn't have happened) but after that germany was set down a dark road, and of all the extreme elements that could have taken over Hitler did, after that the rest is history

The blame on germany lies in given into those extreme elements after the treaty of versailles, the blame for the treaty of versailles lies mainly on france and partially on UK, the blame for creation the situation where germany had to agree to surrender conditions goes back to the starting conditions for world war 1.

You can sympathise with the situations which caused the bad actions all the way through though, germany where put in a situation which caused people to reach out to extreme elements, France had suffered badly from ww1 and powers attacked that badly always tend to lash out, i think almost any country would have been as vengeful as france after ww1, and well the starting conditions for ww1 blame can be spread across all the great powers in europe fairly equally.

Stupid is perhaps a harsh word to describe a nation of people but considering what they where very responsible for (ww2) or what they just let happen in thier name, i think stupidity may perhaps be an apt description.