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    Default You Americans think you have crazies? Sorry, but we Canucks have you beat...

    This is frickin' unbelievable:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

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    Alleged bus killer quiet in court


    Canadian Press and Globe and Mail Update
    August 1, 2008 at 12:27 PM EDT
    PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE, Man. and WINNIPEG — The man accused in the stabbing and beheading of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has made his first court appearance.
    Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton walked into a courtroom in Portage la Prairie, Man., with his head bowed and uttering not a word. He was heavily guarded and walked slowly because he was shackled. Reports said his face was swollen and his one hand was heavily bandaged.
    He would not even reply when the judge asked him if he was going to get a lawyer, and only nodded slightly when asked whether he was exercising his right not to speak.
    The Crown asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said he wanted to give Li a chance to talk to a lawyer about that.
    Mr. Li's next court appearance is scheduled for Tuesday in Portage la Prairie.
    Mr. Li is charged with second-degree murder in the gruesome slaying of Tim McLean, 22, on a Greyhound bus that was travelling from Edmonton to Winnipeg.
    It was on Wednesday night that Greyhound bus 1170 rolled across the darkening prairie.
    Night was closing in and passengers were dozing off as The Legend of Zorro played on the television screen.
    An aboriginal man of about 18 or 20, making his way home to Manitoba from Edmonton, was sitting on his own in the back row, headphones covering his ears, sleeping with his cheek resting on the window pane.
    He barely acknowledged the 40-year-old man in sunglasses who, having boarded the bus in Brandon, first sat near the front, then walked down the aisle, slid his bags into the overhead bin, and sat down next to him.
    The strangers sat together in silence for a half hour or more, said Garnet Caton, a 26-year-old seismic driller who was in the row ahead.
    Then the calm of an otherwise unremarkable bus ride was shattered by a sound so chilling it could only be described as somewhere between a dog howling and a baby crying.
    “It was a blood-curdling scream,” he said. “I turned around and the guy sitting right [behind] me was standing up and stabbing another guy with a big Rambo knife … Right in the throat. Repeatedly.”
    Mr. Caton said the attack was utterly unprovoked.
    He watched in horror as the man, described as tall and well-built with close-cropped hair, plunged his hunting knife into the victim eight or nine times, sending blood spraying across the back of the bus.
    The driver, hearing the screams, pulled to the side of the road and opened the doors, allowing passengers to flee. They scrambled over one another and, in their haste, knocked an elderly woman to the floor. One mother, who was seated near the back, threw her toddler forward several rows to get the child away from danger, a witness said.
    Mr. Caton, who served five years in the Canadian Forces and was closest to the attacker, paused before leaving, torn momentarily between concern for his own safety and the thought of abandoning the bleeding victim. He turned to another man nearby and asked for his help.
    “I said, ‘Give me a hand and let's get this guy.' And the other guy took off,” he said.
    It was only moments later that the victim's screams went silent. Mr. Caton knew he was too late.
    Mr. Caton jumped off the bus, and was met by a trucker who had stopped after seeing the commotion. The trucker grabbed a crowbar and Mr. Caton got a hammer and they tried to contain the attacker on the bus. The attacker swung his knife at them through the partially closed bus door.
    Then the incident became even more macabre. The attacker returned to the victim's side and began sawing through his neck. A few moments later, he walked to the front of the bus holding a decapitated human head, displaying it to the 34 passengers and the bus driver standing outside.
    “I got sick after I saw the head thing,” Mr. Caton said. “Some people were puking, some people were crying, some people were shocked.”
    The killer, meanwhile, appeared unfazed.
    “He just looked at us and dropped the head on the ground, totally calm,” Mr. Caton said.
    Reports from the scene indicate the man then ate pieces of the corpse.
    It was at that point that the RCMP arrived and a standoff developed, with armed officers surrounding the bus.
    For more than three hours the man taunted police, moving around the bus and cutting away at the corpse. Around 1:30 a.m. local time, he broke a window and tried to jump out but was quickly arrested.
    At the scene Staff Sergeant Steve Colwell could offer no explanation for what prompted the attack, and had no information on whether the attacker was known to police or had a history of violence or instability.
    Police did not release the victim's name because they had not been able to notify his family. But CTV reported Friday that his family learned of the attack through the media.
    Police praised the reaction of the bus driver and passengers, which they say may have averted further injuries.
    “They were very brave. They reacted swiftly and calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured,” Staff Sgt. Colwell said. “It's not every day that someone gets stabbed on a bus. I imagine it would be fairly traumatic for the other passengers on the bus and the way they reacted was extraordinary.”
    The passengers were eventually taken to an RCMP station in Brandon to be questioned, and then put up for the night in a local hotel. Most stayed up late, bleary-eyed strangers gathering in small groups, talking through a horrifying event that defied rational explanation.
    “I tried to lay down at 4 o'clock this morning and I was up 10 minutes later, because every time I close my eyes I see this man in the window with some guy's head I just smoked a cigarette with an hour before,” said passenger Cody Olmstead, who was on his way home to Nova Scotia.
    Mr. Olmstead may have been the last person to speak to the victim before he was killed. He said they exchanged pleasantries, but not much more. The young man, who was about 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, was dressed in baggy, hip-hop clothing, passengers said.
    “He seemed to be all right. I didn't get to know him,” he said. “He just told me where he was going. I told him where I was going.”
    At first, Mr. Olmstead said, he thought it was a regular fistfight. But when somebody yelled “knife,” everyone started to run.
    “What can you do when a man's got a knife the size of, you know, it's a big knife. So we just tried to stay out of the way,” he said.
    He said he didn't notice any tension between the two men beforehand, or even a minor incident that could have sparked a confrontation.
    “No, there was no tension. The guy got on the bus, sat down beside the fellow. The fellow offered him the seat, woke up, said, ‘Yeah, go ahead,' fell back asleep. Next thing you know, he's getting stabbed repetitively,” he said. “And then I guess he cuts buddy's head off, and he walks up to the door, holds the head in the door and just looks at him, crazy like, and just drops the head.”
    Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called Thursday's incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports.
    “People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare,” Mr. Day said.
    He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a “knife registry,” saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults.
    Speaking at a Conservative Party caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer “convicted in court.”
    Grief counsellors from the Brandon Regional Health Authority were made available to the passengers at the hotel Wednesday night. They were eventually allowed to complete their journey to Winnipeg, even though all their possessions had to be left on the bus while police continued their search of the crime scene.
    Greyhound paid for them to buy clothes Thursday, and later transported them into Winnipeg, where some were reunited with anxious family members late in the afternoon.
    The bus remained parked at the side of the Trans-Canada Highway Thursday, about 20 kilometres west of Portage La Prairie, as forensic teams sifted through evidence.
    With reports from Joe Friesen in Winnipeg and Daniel Leblanc in Lévis, Que.


    Sweet Jesus, this is creeping me out. When I saw it on the news last night, I thought it was a joke at first.
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    Default Re: You Americans think you have crazies? Sorry, but we Canucks have you beat...

    EL REPOSTO!!!!

    *check the news of the weird thread*
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    Whatever. My title is better.
    "What, have Canadians run out of guns to steal from other Canadians and now need to piss all over our glee?"

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    Absolutely crazy; I agree that it deserves its own thread.
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    Nah...I don't think this happened.

    Okay, well maybe he did kill this passenger, but, I wonder, what did this passenger say to provoke his killing?

    And besides, kills happen all the time. Especially in America. And I read that Bush signed off on another death penalty last week. That is a far greater threat.

    And maybe it's just Canadian culture. Look, if Canadians are prone to getting killed on busses, then they should simply not take busses, or prepare themselves for it, eh?

    And what's the point of posting this thread anyway? You got a problem with Canucks or something, Goof?
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    “What can you do when a man's got a knife the size of, you know, it's a big knife. So we just tried to stay out of the way,” he said.
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    And yes, I cede the Continental Craziness Crown to the cuttin' Canucks.

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    Yeah, I read about this last night in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. How utterly horrifying and macabre.
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    A bus full of Canadians and not one hockey stick?!
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    Well at least the nutter didn't have a gun so he couldn't shoot the other passengers when they were running away .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Nah...I don't think this happened.

    Okay, well maybe he did kill this passenger, but, I wonder, what did this passenger say to provoke his killing?

    And besides, kills happen all the time. Especially in America. And I read that Bush signed off on another death penalty last week. That is a far greater threat.

    And maybe it's just Canadian culture. Look, if Canadians are prone to getting killed on busses, then they should simply not take busses, or prepare themselves for it, eh?

    And what's the point of posting this thread anyway? You got a problem with Canucks or something, Goof?
    Dude, he stabbed the guy in the throat with a giant hunting knife, sawed off the head,displayed it triumphantly to the other passengers, AND THEN CUT OFF AND ATE PIECES OF THE BODY.

    Doesn't that speak for itself?!

    @Tribesman: yeah, thank god. If the guy was willing to go this far, there's no telling what he would try to do with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    Dude, he stabbed the guy in the throat with a giant hunting knife, sawed off the head,displayed it triumphantly to the other passengers, AND THEN CUT OFF AND ATE PIECES OF THE BODY.

    Doesn't that speak for itself?!

    @Tribesman: yeah, thank god. If the guy was willing to go this far, there's no telling what he would try to do with a gun.
    Rev, I think Louis' tongue is firmly planted in his cheek.

    As for the gun, well, he'd have had one heck of a time cuttin' the guy's head off with a handgun - or any gun for that matter.
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    @Tribesman: yeah, thank god. If the guy was willing to go this far, there's no telling what he would try to do with a gun.
    Well maybe he could have done this .....

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/...onsin_shooting
    The poor young Americans didn't have guns so were helpless .

    Or this ...
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7527971.stm
    the Rush Limburgh fan thought the gay loving damn unamerican liberal unitarians wouldn't attack him and he could shoot them all at his leisure .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Well at least the nutter didn't have a gun so he couldn't shoot the other passengers when they were running away .

    Too bad none of the other passengers had guns either...

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    Good point Tribesman. But without guns, we crazy Americans would have to resort to homemade bombs like the rest of the world - and you know how bad our aim is with bombs targeted by our experts in the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Well at least the nutter didn't have a gun so he couldn't shoot the other passengers when they were running away .
    And if the passengers had guns, they wouldn't have had to run away and might have saved the guys life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    This is frickin' unbelievable:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

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    Alleged bus killer quiet in court


    Canadian Press and Globe and Mail Update
    August 1, 2008 at 12:27 PM EDT
    PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE, Man. and WINNIPEG — The man accused in the stabbing and beheading of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has made his first court appearance.
    Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton walked into a courtroom in Portage la Prairie, Man., with his head bowed and uttering not a word. He was heavily guarded and walked slowly because he was shackled. Reports said his face was swollen and his one hand was heavily bandaged.
    He would not even reply when the judge asked him if he was going to get a lawyer, and only nodded slightly when asked whether he was exercising his right not to speak.
    The Crown asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said he wanted to give Li a chance to talk to a lawyer about that.
    Mr. Li's next court appearance is scheduled for Tuesday in Portage la Prairie.
    Mr. Li is charged with second-degree murder in the gruesome slaying of Tim McLean, 22, on a Greyhound bus that was travelling from Edmonton to Winnipeg.
    It was on Wednesday night that Greyhound bus 1170 rolled across the darkening prairie.
    Night was closing in and passengers were dozing off as The Legend of Zorro played on the television screen.
    An aboriginal man of about 18 or 20, making his way home to Manitoba from Edmonton, was sitting on his own in the back row, headphones covering his ears, sleeping with his cheek resting on the window pane.
    He barely acknowledged the 40-year-old man in sunglasses who, having boarded the bus in Brandon, first sat near the front, then walked down the aisle, slid his bags into the overhead bin, and sat down next to him.
    The strangers sat together in silence for a half hour or more, said Garnet Caton, a 26-year-old seismic driller who was in the row ahead.
    Then the calm of an otherwise unremarkable bus ride was shattered by a sound so chilling it could only be described as somewhere between a dog howling and a baby crying.
    “It was a blood-curdling scream,” he said. “I turned around and the guy sitting right [behind] me was standing up and stabbing another guy with a big Rambo knife … Right in the throat. Repeatedly.”
    Mr. Caton said the attack was utterly unprovoked.
    He watched in horror as the man, described as tall and well-built with close-cropped hair, plunged his hunting knife into the victim eight or nine times, sending blood spraying across the back of the bus.
    The driver, hearing the screams, pulled to the side of the road and opened the doors, allowing passengers to flee. They scrambled over one another and, in their haste, knocked an elderly woman to the floor. One mother, who was seated near the back, threw her toddler forward several rows to get the child away from danger, a witness said.
    Mr. Caton, who served five years in the Canadian Forces and was closest to the attacker, paused before leaving, torn momentarily between concern for his own safety and the thought of abandoning the bleeding victim. He turned to another man nearby and asked for his help.
    “I said, ‘Give me a hand and let's get this guy.' And the other guy took off,” he said.
    It was only moments later that the victim's screams went silent. Mr. Caton knew he was too late.
    Mr. Caton jumped off the bus, and was met by a trucker who had stopped after seeing the commotion. The trucker grabbed a crowbar and Mr. Caton got a hammer and they tried to contain the attacker on the bus. The attacker swung his knife at them through the partially closed bus door.
    Then the incident became even more macabre. The attacker returned to the victim's side and began sawing through his neck. A few moments later, he walked to the front of the bus holding a decapitated human head, displaying it to the 34 passengers and the bus driver standing outside.
    “I got sick after I saw the head thing,” Mr. Caton said. “Some people were puking, some people were crying, some people were shocked.”
    The killer, meanwhile, appeared unfazed.
    “He just looked at us and dropped the head on the ground, totally calm,” Mr. Caton said.
    Reports from the scene indicate the man then ate pieces of the corpse.
    It was at that point that the RCMP arrived and a standoff developed, with armed officers surrounding the bus.
    For more than three hours the man taunted police, moving around the bus and cutting away at the corpse. Around 1:30 a.m. local time, he broke a window and tried to jump out but was quickly arrested.
    At the scene Staff Sergeant Steve Colwell could offer no explanation for what prompted the attack, and had no information on whether the attacker was known to police or had a history of violence or instability.
    Police did not release the victim's name because they had not been able to notify his family. But CTV reported Friday that his family learned of the attack through the media.
    Police praised the reaction of the bus driver and passengers, which they say may have averted further injuries.
    “They were very brave. They reacted swiftly and calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured,” Staff Sgt. Colwell said. “It's not every day that someone gets stabbed on a bus. I imagine it would be fairly traumatic for the other passengers on the bus and the way they reacted was extraordinary.”
    The passengers were eventually taken to an RCMP station in Brandon to be questioned, and then put up for the night in a local hotel. Most stayed up late, bleary-eyed strangers gathering in small groups, talking through a horrifying event that defied rational explanation.
    “I tried to lay down at 4 o'clock this morning and I was up 10 minutes later, because every time I close my eyes I see this man in the window with some guy's head I just smoked a cigarette with an hour before,” said passenger Cody Olmstead, who was on his way home to Nova Scotia.
    Mr. Olmstead may have been the last person to speak to the victim before he was killed. He said they exchanged pleasantries, but not much more. The young man, who was about 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, was dressed in baggy, hip-hop clothing, passengers said.
    “He seemed to be all right. I didn't get to know him,” he said. “He just told me where he was going. I told him where I was going.”
    At first, Mr. Olmstead said, he thought it was a regular fistfight. But when somebody yelled “knife,” everyone started to run.
    “What can you do when a man's got a knife the size of, you know, it's a big knife. So we just tried to stay out of the way,” he said.
    He said he didn't notice any tension between the two men beforehand, or even a minor incident that could have sparked a confrontation.
    “No, there was no tension. The guy got on the bus, sat down beside the fellow. The fellow offered him the seat, woke up, said, ‘Yeah, go ahead,' fell back asleep. Next thing you know, he's getting stabbed repetitively,” he said. “And then I guess he cuts buddy's head off, and he walks up to the door, holds the head in the door and just looks at him, crazy like, and just drops the head.”
    Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called Thursday's incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports.
    “People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare,” Mr. Day said.
    He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a “knife registry,” saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults.
    Speaking at a Conservative Party caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer “convicted in court.”
    Grief counsellors from the Brandon Regional Health Authority were made available to the passengers at the hotel Wednesday night. They were eventually allowed to complete their journey to Winnipeg, even though all their possessions had to be left on the bus while police continued their search of the crime scene.
    Greyhound paid for them to buy clothes Thursday, and later transported them into Winnipeg, where some were reunited with anxious family members late in the afternoon.
    The bus remained parked at the side of the Trans-Canada Highway Thursday, about 20 kilometres west of Portage La Prairie, as forensic teams sifted through evidence.
    With reports from Joe Friesen in Winnipeg and Daniel Leblanc in Lévis, Que.


    Sweet Jesus, this is creeping me out. When I saw it on the news last night, I thought it was a joke at first.
    Yeah I saw this a few days ago in the news. The beheading part is most disturbing.

    BTW, please don't turn this into a gun thread debate. Guns have nothing to do with this situation for god's sake.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kush View Post
    BTW, please don't turn this into a gun thread debate. Guns have nothing to do with this situation for god's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    And if the passengers had guns, they wouldn't have had to run away
    Yes.

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    and might have saved the guys life.

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    Probably not, they were almost all shocked and the guy who wanted to react didn't until the victim was pretty much dead which only took a few moments anyway.

    I have to say this is indeed quite shocking and I am really interested to know why the heck this guy did that, but it appears that he does not want to talk a lot anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Okay, well maybe he did kill this passenger, but, I wonder, what did this passenger say to provoke his killing?
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC News
    Other passengers said that the attacker and his victim were sitting at the back of the bus and the victim, described as around 20 years old, was listening to music through headphones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Yes.

    Probably not, they were almost all shocked and the guy who wanted to react didn't until the victim was pretty much dead which only took a few moments anyway.

    I have to say this is indeed quite shocking and I am really interested to know why the heck this guy did that, but it appears that he does not want to talk a lot anymore.
    Yes, they were all shocked, but one fellow did think of helping the victim . Understandably, he was hesitant to do so when the attacker had a large knife.

    Let's talk about the trend of people not helping people who are being attacked. There's that famous NYC (I think) case where a woman was screaming for help while she died and no one even called the police.

    I dare say this has to do with the urbanization and the state becoming more active in society as a parental force, like welfare and public housing for example. They take away people's responsibility and individual initiative, replacing it with a "the government will take care of you".

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    Yes, they were all shocked, but one fellow did think of helping the victim . Understandably, he was hesitant to do so when the attacker had a large knife.
    He could end up shooting shooting the victim instead; there was simply little he could do.


    Let's talk about the trend of people not helping people who are being attacked. There's that famous NYC (I think) case where a woman was screaming for help while she died and no one even called the police.

    I dare say this has to do with the urbanization and the state becoming more active in society as a parental force, like welfare and public housing for example. They take away people's responsibility and individual initiative, replacing it with a "the government will take care of you".
    It could mean anything.
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    I heard this on the radio last night. WTF!

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    Default Re: You Americans think you have crazies? Sorry, but we Canucks have you beat...

    I heard this on the radio last night. WTF!
    I havn't come across that radio station , Whats Their Frequency ?

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    This guy appears to be an unfeeling sociopath who hunted down his victim. He probably scoped him out earlier in the ride, maybe seeing him as vulnerable due to the headphones and then gained some kind of trust during the smoke break.

    What I don't get is how a guy who attacks so overtly and appears to possess no feeling whatsoever managed to make it to age 40 without anyone noticing. I remember reading about how sociopaths can mask their behaviors extremely well. BTK was not caught until middle age, and that was only due to his taunting the police. This guy didn't even try to conceal his murder. I suppose future investigation will identify warning signs.
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    Remember kiddies, guns knives don't kill people, people kill people. I have it on good authority (the wife) that I'm regarded as sharp enough to decapitate folks with my little finger. True.
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    This is making news down here (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...02/2322145.htm).

    This man is insane...
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    And anyone who frequents public transport knows how annoying that can be.
    I thought that as well, but only a whacko would kill someone because of that and not everybody turns their headphones loud, besides, it does not explain a whole lot of the other things the guy did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S View Post
    Let's talk about the trend of people not helping people who are being attacked. There's that famous NYC (I think) case where a woman was screaming for help while she died and no one even called the police.
    I think that may just as well have other reasons for example that people do not want to be bothered with questions from the police etc. because they see their own lives as so important etc. and then all the others can just help as well you know, unfortunately everybody thinks that and then everybody just moves on wondering why nobody does anything and why everybody else is such a cold hearted person.


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    I believe you are all missing the point here. If I was trapped on a bus and forced to watch The Legend of Zorro, somebody would be losing their cranium as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S View Post
    And anyone who frequents public transport knows how annoying that can be.
    I don't actually mind it that much. The U-Bahn here is pretty good about that (and so, surprisingly, is the Toronto Subway, even though I hate the trains there), so the public transport here is generally very quiet and orderly.

    Though I do have a tendency to zone out when on train rides, so I may be missing something.

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