Russia is going to try to kill or capture Saakashvili. They are going for regime change. What is the matter with the west?
Re: Heavy Fighting in South Ossetia
Russia is going to try to kill or capture Saakashvili. They are going for regime change. What is the matter with the west?
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-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
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The last thing we Euro's want is an all-out war between Russia and the USA.
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Europeans take a bizarre interest in their own defense. I'm not talking about American action only - I'm talking NATO. Is it up to the U.S. alone to defend democratic European nations? Are you just bystanders?Originally Posted by Conradus
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 08-11-2008 at 18:00.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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We like sorting out stuff diplomatically
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Riiiight. What European military conflict that has already started getting violent has ever been sorted out with words?We like sorting out stuff diplomatically
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"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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This is getting on my nerves. Georgia has/had the 3rd largest troop deployment in Iraq between the US and the UK. They are great ally and were close to becoming a member of NATO. I'm going to be a bit ticked at my government if we stand by and let the country of Georgia collapse to the Russians.
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Northern Ireland?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Okay you win. Is this situation similar?
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Re: Heavy Fighting in South Ossetia
The last thing we Americans want is an all-out war between Russia and the US.
I don't have all of my information here yet, but I'm on the fence as to who is in the right. I am certainly not going to side with Georgia just because it is an ally. If Georgia instigated this, then I have to favor Russia. That said, Russian escalation into Democratic Georgia with the intention of regime change of a democratically elected president is mighty disturbing.
This is quite a crisis with some very grave implications for international stability.
Edit: One last note. It seems to me that Russia's entire purpose here is to demonstrate its power and its anger at the west for encroachment into its territory.
Last edited by Divinus Arma; 08-11-2008 at 18:19.
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Re: Heavy Fighting in South Ossetia
As much i would like to side with Georgia, the fact is that Georgia broke the cease fire and is not even disputing it, which gives Russia a casus belli. Now the job for the west is to pressure Russia into negotiating table and prevent Russia from over running the entire Georgia. In poker terms, Georgia tried to bluff Russia into submission, but Russia called the cards. I dont think either side of this conflict has clean intentions, both are trying to strengthen their position in the area.
It was bad move from Georgia to think that Russia would be so fearful of west that it would just let Georgia do what it wants. From Russian perspective, such move would have been disastrous to the Government, showing weakness towards the west. Georgia should not have put Russian government into a position, where it had no other options then using force.
Now its the job for rest of the world to pressure Russia, so it cant use this pretext to destroy the independency of Georgia.
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I expect they don't wish to fall victim to one of Vizzini's classic blunders.
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
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