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[Che Roriniho]

Well this issue isn't like "we don't like the Tavern any more; we close it now."

I think I can speak for the team in saying nobody particularly liked the Tavern itself. As far as I can see most of us including myself, used not to mind it either. Just one of those threads you know. At time one might even commit to actually reading it or posting there.

But we've had rather [massive] outbreaks of SPAM, trolling, rudeness and general bad behaviour in this forum on multiple occasions. One such occasion saw the Tavern shut down; rudeness saw a page or two of the Tavern being wiped from these boards; and we've had another such occasion not too long ago.

The thing with a threat made in the Tavern to flood another mod's subfora with SPAM made us decide to do something that was pending for a long time. Much of the reasoning as outlined in the posts by Foot refer more to previous misbehaviour than to the last incident in the Tavern.

We do have a strong feeling that a lot of the misbehaviour elsewhere on these fora is fostered or incited at the Tavern; hence why it had to go first.

Before this thread is locked, as it inevatably will be, as seems to be the case when someone says something the mods don't like, I need to explain, and retort these points. First of all, as I said in my above post, THE WHOLE REASON MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THE FORUM WAS THE TAVERN. Appo, Hooahguy, and I'm sure there's many more, also, just look at the views and posts. over 2,000 posts, that's the most on the forum, so saying no-one like it, is equivalent to saying no-one like the Sex Pistols because they couldn't lay to save their lives.

People have always made the Tav a home, whether or not the team understood this is neither here nor there, and the very fact that people have LEFT the forums, says something of the lack of forethopugh in this dicision.

That threat was out of loyalty, and no-one was really going to, partly because Hax told us not to, and us being decent individuals, we wouldn't trash someone elses work. This thing called jokes, you see.

Once again, Cheers EB.

[satalexton]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

now let's get back to talking about greek governments and roman tactics VS celtic arms shall we? =]

[Che Roriniho]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

now let's get back to talking about greek governments and roman tactics VS celtic arms shall we? =]

So abou's dream then? Sucking every ounce of soul from these forums, and then forgetting nothing happened. For remember, people who speak th truth and die, start revolutions.




CHE RORINIHO

[abou]

So abou's dream then? Sucking every ounce of soul from these forums, and then forgetting nothing happened. For remember, people who speak th truth and die, start revolutions.

My dream? Thanks for that. You may have come to the EB forum like a few others simply for the Tavern, but that was never the purpose of the forum itself.

[Che Roriniho]

My dream? Thanks for that. You may have come to the EB forum like a few others simply for the Tavern, but that was never the purpose of the forum itself.

I camehere because of th game. I started the Unofficial Manual Project fo one, so it's hardly joining just for the Tavern, but this was 'base' for me. And Mike is right, there is only so much EB you want to talk about, but you still want to talk to the people. This was the Tavern.

[a completely inoffensive name]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

I highly doubt they will ban me because then that would be fair towards everyone. Just like how "someone made a threat in the tavern" they wont do anything except lock this down and punish everyone. If anyone bans me for this, then kudos to him or her because at least they are doing thier job right and not just cutting off the discussion entirely like a power hungry dictator.

[russia almighty]

So, who is cool with some creating a half assed off site board and call it the EB fan tavern?


It could be the den of evil everyone is looking for.

[satalexton]

@ russia
I am, cuz I simply don't like the sight of Tiberius Gracchus clones being pwned by the Scipo.

If you start one, I'll help you run it.

[Bellum]

Well I fail to see how I have a responsibility to be nice to everyone and point everyone new in the right direction

Which is, as I said, an immature point of view. It's a bad attitude that hurts everyone.

Another example:

Honestly, if you expect me to hear you say that because a few said some things, everyone must pay and not complain about it, then you have made a huge mistake.

This is a rude and hostile attack against the mods. If everyone would explain their reasoning logically and without hostility, it would be much easier to reach a conclusion. These insistent attacks and demands won't lead to any productive end. The mods will likely lock this thread, and you will have gained nothing. Perhaps the mods and some other people will have lost some respect for you because of your inability to act coolly.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is a rude and hostile attack against the mods. If everyone would explain their reasoning logically and without hostility, it would be much easier to reach a conclusion. These insistent attacks and demands won't lead to any productive end. The mods will likely lock this thread, and you will have gained nothing. Perhaps the mods and some other people will have lost some respect for you because of your inability to act coolly.

If you actually read my posts in this thread you would realize that have made many good points and yet no reply from the mods themselves. I ask them why just ban whoever is making the threats or swearing etc..instead of shutting down the thread entirely. And yet no answer.

Also, you should seriously take a look at yourself because it seems to me as if you revere the mods as some infallable people that everyone should look up to. If they dont like my opinions thats fine, I dont care, I made my point and if they refuse to respond because of "a loss of respect" then thats thier own stubbornness and arrogance. Now very politely I am going to ask:

Dear mods, why not just crackdown on the guys who are causing the trouble instead of closing the thread which many more, non-trouble causing people are using?
-Mike

[Tellos Athenaios]

If you actually read my posts in this thread you would realize that have made many good points and yet no reply from the mods themselves. I ask them why just ban whoever is making the threats or swearing etc..instead of shutting down the thread entirely. And yet no answer.

Well haven't I for one, TPC and abou for another two, made many good points as well? And haven't we addressed most if not all of your concerns? Rephrasing the same, by now old, hat many times getting each time you do so more worked up and verging on the point of getting colourful too... it just doesn't help. I refer you to my analogy of the child.

[Hax]

Before this thread is locked, as it inevatably will be, as seems to be the case when someone says something the mods don't like, I need to explain, and retort these points. First of all, as I said in my above post, THE WHOLE REASON MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THE FORUM WAS THE TAVERN. Appo, Hooahguy, and I'm sure there's many more, also, just look at the views and posts. over 2,000 posts, that's the most on the forum, so saying no-one like it, is equivalent to saying no-one like the Sex Pistols because they couldn't lay to save their lives.

People have always made the Tav a home, whether or not the team understood this is neither here nor there, and the very fact that people have LEFT the forums, says something of the lack of forethopugh in this dicision.

That threat was out of loyalty, and no-one was really going to, partly because Hax told us not to, and us being decent individuals, we wouldn't trash someone elses work. This thing called jokes, you see.

Once again, Cheers EB.

Miscommunication. Comments like that, whether jokingly or not, are bound to have severe consequences. Jokes are hard to really get over the internet, so this was indeed a problem. I had feared that the threat in the Tavern would close it again, but after a good two pages, I thought that it wouldn't.

In that case, nobody except for me, is to blame for the closing of the Tavern. I personally liked the atmosphere around it, but things like that..discussing politics [in a nasty way], flames towards other mods, general swearing..it did help in the end.

A shame, as I said, but necessary. I completely understand the EB team's opinion on this matter and I respect it as well. I hope everyone does.

[Che Roriniho]

Miscommunication. Comments like that, whether jokingly or not, are bound to have severe consequences. Jokes are hard to really get over the internet, so this was indeed a problem. I had feared that the threat in the Tavern would close it again, but after a good two pages, I thought that it wouldn't.

In that case, nobody except for me, is to blame for the closing of the Tavern. I personally liked the atmosphere around it, but things like that..discussing politics [in a nasty way], flames towards other mods, general swearing..it did help in the end.

A shame, as I said, but necessary. I completely understand the EB team's opinion on this matter and I respect it as well. I hope everyone does.

It is not your fault, it is the fault of the complete idiots who insulted various people inside the Tav. I take full and unreserved responsiblity for that anti-israel post, but bear in mind, I do have family reasons to dislike the Zionists, and I was containing about 6 bottles of Dutch beer at the time, but that is still no excuse.
Peopple say things they regret in all paths of life. Live and let live.
And Senshi, by lurking, you've missed the point of the Tavern. it's like going to a real pub, sitting in a corner with a blanket over your head, then complaining no-one talks to you. It's something you have to partake in, not watch. At least, it was.