NSFW area?

[Che Roriniho]

It's ok, Jimmy. You can make new friends!

we're fine with the one's we've got had.

[Bellum]

If you actually read my posts in this thread you would realize that have made many good points and yet no reply from the mods themselves. I ask them why just ban whoever is making the threats or swearing etc..instead of shutting down the thread entirely. And yet no answer.

You did make some interesting points, so why wasn't there a response?

Because from the very beginning you were rude. You said with your attitude that you were entitled to any of your demands, even if you didn't realize it.

Also, you should seriously take a look at yourself because it seems to me as if you revere the mods as some infallable people that everyone should look up to.

No, I look at them as human beings who happen to be the voice of authority on these forums.

we're fine with the one's we've got had.

Sure, but things change whether you want them to or not.

[Tellos Athenaios]

You don't get it. We don't want the Backroom, bexcause that's not the Tavern.

Yes I got that bit. What you seem to have completely and utterly overlooked is the fact that 'we' are not alone on these forums; much less that these forums are dedicated to 'we'. What do you think to achieve with acting as a little child that has just been told it can't have x but is allowed y; yet it persists in replying "but I don't want y; I want x!" ?

There is a reason why the EB devs haver their own private subforum for having whatever conversation they want; yet the Tavern never was made an official EB subforum. There is a reason why, I think, such a request would never have been granted either, had it been made.

We do not own these fora. We have been granted to use parts of it so long we remain within the ORG rules. We therefore are responisble for mainting some sort of 'public order' in correspondance with the ORG rules. We notice that we fail to do so. We also notice that a particular point of failure is in fact the Tavern. Do you want me to continue, or do you see where this leads to?

The following is directed a Mike Hunt mostly:
For a comparison it's not like the Tavern is the only thread that has been locked; much less that it is the only thread with bad behaviour taking over the discussion. Those threads were eventually locked too. Still who would argue that it was a bad thing to lock those threads and only people who had actually comitted acts of misbehaviour would have to suffer? Locking is a preventing mechanism it has got nothing to do with punishing. Bans are for punishing. If the warning hasn't been clear enough yet and some people persist; then these will eventually find themselves banned.

Also: I'm awaiting that little line of Madness.

[a completely inoffensive name]

So? This is still not a sandbox for your enjoyment. This is not Orkut.

Also, I resent your tasteless remark on Abou's character. This was a decision rather unanimously taken by the team, and even I who despise censorship more than any of your sorry asses, couldn't bear myself to defend the Tavern. In an especially notorious case, a board-invasion was incited. Guess what, we didn't ruin anything. You guys did that perfectly well on your own.

If Mike Hunt thinks our decision was "bullshit", tough luck for him. We are not obliged to cater, we do this in our spare time, and the fact that the hand of offering was voraciously devoured along with the arm to which the hand was attached, is greeted by insolent protests, just begs to ask just how audacious one can get.

Yes, you are not obliged to cater to the whims of your fans, but you are obliged to exercise the power you have over these forums wisely. The decision to close the tavern was not a wise choice, the wiser choice which I have stated many times would be to ban/punish only those spouting off such offencive things.

My main problem with this is NOT that the tavern was shut down in the first place, but for your bull**** reasoning behind it.

[Tellos Athenaios]

If you actually read my posts in this thread you would realize that have made many good points and yet no reply from the mods themselves. I ask them why just ban whoever is making the threats or swearing etc..instead of shutting down the thread entirely. And yet no answer.

Well haven't I for one, TPC and abou for another two, made many good points as well? And haven't we addressed most if not all of your concerns? Rephrasing the same, by now old, hat many times getting each time you do so more worked up and verging on the point of getting colourful too... it just doesn't help. I refer you to my analogy of the child.

[Che Roriniho]

So? This is still not a sandbox for your enjoyment. This is not Orkut.

Also, I resent your tasteless remark on Abou's character. This was a decision rather unanimously taken by the team, and even I who despise censorship more than any of your sorry asses, couldn't bear myself to defend the Tavern. In an especially notorious case, a board-invasion was incited. Guess what, we didn't ruin anything. You guys did that perfectly well on your own.

If Mike Hunt thinks our decision was "bullshit", tough luck for him. We are not obliged to cater, we do this in our spare time, and the fact that the hand of offering was voraciously devoured along with the arm to which the hand was attached, is greeted by insolent protests, just begs to ask just how audacious one can get.

No, but see my above comment. The Tavern was where you could chat with the EB guys, but not about EB.

What WAS the tavern for then? An experiment in Social Engineering? See what happens when we close something we like?

That Bourd invasion 'incitement' was a joke. In bad taste, I admit, but a joke nonetheless. This isn't the Chans. Board invasions aren't opur style. We simply mutter to ourselves about 'Th downfall of society', or whatever. I say again, nothing serious!

Also, what remark on Abou's character?

[Tellos Athenaios]

My main problem with this is NOT that the tavern was shut down in the first place, but for your bull**** reasoning behind it.

Were this the case on other boards I visited; such reasoning would not just have led to the Tavern being closed down it would have led to many of the participants getting a shiny new point on their "infraction" counter. Count up to 3 or so and you get a temp ban.

Guess what; these forums are still pretty relaxed, open minded and free.

[Tellos Athenaios]

No, but see my above comment. The Tavern was where you could chat with the EB guys, but not about EB.

What WAS the tavern for then? An experiment in Social Engineering? See what happens when we close something we like?

That Bourd invasion 'incitement' was a joke. In bad taste, I admit, but a joke nonetheless. This isn't the Chans. Board invasions aren't opur style. We simply mutter to ourselves about 'Th downfall of society', or whatever. I say again, nothing serious!

Also, what remark on Abou's character?

Something about Utopia, I guess; something which also could very well be reversed and with a little adaptations apply to you, I guess.

EDIT: Or wasn't it this one...

So abou's dream then? Sucking every ounce of soul from these forums, and then forgetting nothing happened. For remember, people who speak th truth and die, start revolutions.

[Che Roriniho]

Sure, but things change whether you want them to or not.

Not friends.

I'm starting to agree with TA here. I do want a NSFW sub forum for EB though. I WANTSES!

As far as I can see, this thread is closed, but it's truly a bad day for EB. 2 of our best members have left, and has resulted in forae with noticably less soul.

Sh*t Happens though.

Valete

[Sarcasm]

This was a decision rather unanimously taken by the team, and even I who despise censorship more than any of your sorry asses, couldn't bear myself to defend the Tavern. In an especially notorious case, a board-invasion was incited. Guess what, we didn't ruin anything. You guys did that perfectly well on your own.

If Mike Hunt thinks our decision was "bullshit", tough luck for him. We are not obliged to cater, we do this in our spare time, and the fact that the hand of offering was voraciously devoured along with the arm to which the hand was attached, is greeted by insolent protests, just begs to ask just how audacious one can get.

I wouldn't say unanimously...I for one fought nail and tooth to get the tavern back on the first time it got closed, I certainly don't agree that it was a mistake to have a Tavern in the first place nor was it easy for me to not defend the tavern this time around. I did ultimately chose not to though.

Like TPC here, I absolutely despise censorship and was sort of shocked and revolted by the first closure despite having an extremely low opinion of the place and most of its patrons. This time around this was a long time in the making and it's entirely your own fault. In the lesbian thread I alluded to the danger of having off-tavern spam posts (at this time closing the tavern began to be seriously discussed) and I was still met with indifference and with several "In before lock" comments by several patrons of the tavern and regular members appearing after my warning.

To tell you the truth, like some situations in reality, you might not deserve the place nor the internal protection of certain key EB-members, and failed to see what a real privilege it was to have a place within the .org without strict rules of conduct. You ultimately failed to police yourselves - something the EB-team is unwilling to do for you.

Good luck.

[Che Roriniho]

@TA
That last quote was mostly the result of bad grammar. There should have been a new paragraph in there somewhere.

But, hell, I take full responsibility for everything I have posted.

Again,

Valete.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yes I got that bit. What you seem to have completely and utterly overlooked is the fact that 'we' are not alone on these forums; much less that these forums are dedicated to 'we'. What do you think to achieve with acting as a little child that has just been told it can't have x but is allowed y; yet it persists in replying "but I don't want y; I want x!" ?

There is a reason why the EB devs haver their own private subforum for having whatever conversation they want; yet the Tavern never was made an official EB subforum. There is a reason why, I think, such a request would never have been granted either, had it been made.

We do not own these fora. We have been granted to use parts of it so long we remain within the ORG rules. We therefore are responisble for mainting some sort of 'public order' in correspondance with the ORG rules. We notice that we fail to do so. We also notice that a particular point of failure is in fact the Tavern. Do you want me to continue, or do you see where this leads to?

The following is directed a Mike Hunt mostly:
For a comparison it's not like the Tavern is the only thread that has been locked; much less that it is the only thread with bad behaviour taking over the discussion. Those threads were eventually locked too. Still who would argue that it was a bad thing to lock those threads and only people who had actually comitted acts of misbehaviour would have to suffer? Locking is a preventing mechanism it has got nothing to do with punishing. Bans are for punishing. If the warning hasn't been clear enough yet and some people persist; then these will eventually find themselves banned.

Also: I'm awaiting that little line of Madness.

I have to say that I believe that locking a thread is reserved for only troll/spam posts, and not for misbehavior. The "preventive" measures in a mods power is a temporary ban and then a perminant one if bad behavior continues.

I think this whole situation could be solved if a new Tavern was made, and instead of waiting until all hell breaks loose and then shutting down the entire thread, there should be constant supervision where only those who cause trouble get a warning from the mod, then a temporary ban based on the mods own judgement and then a perminant ban for a third offence. K?

Oh and here is that line of madness I have holding in... (WARNING: swearing ahead!):

lol I will edit that last part out if anyone finds that distasteful.


There are rules against swearing. Do not do it. - Foot

[Hax]

Yes.

This is indeed distasteful, and against the rules as well. I'm not trying to police you in any way [since the closing of the tavern was also in part thanks to me], but this isn't helping.

[Foot]

I know that many people loved the Tavern, and so I know that any discussion between those who locked it and those who loved it will always be unresolved. I have no intention of turning this into a discussion.

If any of you have troubles posting in the Backroom or the Frontroom you need to contact a moderator in the appropriate forum. These are the two forums on this board that are suitable for off-topic conversation and I suggest that you continue there. If you do not want to continue the EB Tavern there, then you do not need to post there.

The EB forum is for EB. If you do not want to talk about EB then you will need a different forum. We understand that the EB forum cannot be a constant home for people because talking about EB a lot can get quite annoying. If you have questions about EB, suggestions for EB, etc. then you can post them here. If you just want to chat with some mates over the internet then you can go to the Frontroom or Backroom.

I will now close this thread. I hope that you Tavern people can find a new home elsewhere that is more suited to its nature and topics.

Foot

[Sarcasm]

...

Very helpful. I'm sure the guys defending the tavern are glad you're on their side.

[Che Roriniho]

Yes.

This is indeed distasteful, and against the rules as well. I'm not trying to police you in any way [since the closing of the tavern was also in part thanks to me], but this isn't helping.

IT WASN'T YOUR FAULT! You got kicked from WotD, and, we under false pretences of being Loyal, joked around.

I said my fair share of crap, as well, but no-ones to blame.

Also, Mike, calm down. we have listened to you, and you re (I believe) right on some points, but not all. This quiestioning is called discussion. It happens on forums. Calm down.