super naked gauls

[TWFanatic]

The Gaesatae are indeed powerful. IMHO (as I've stated before), giving them two hitpoints because they consume drugs before battle is to misunderstand just how powerful additional hitpoints make a unit. Polybius describes the Gaesatae at Telemann as having been dealt with by the Velites--imagine that happening in EB! I'm sure if it was possible to reduce the power of additional hitpoints it would have been done, but for now the Gaesatae are ahistorically resistant to missiles. The best way to counter this hardcoded shortcoming is to reduce their armor by a few points. You will then be able to deal with them more easily through the use of Velites and other missile-armed troops.

[Apgad]

Those dudes intimidate all other infantry, making them harder to kill. But cavalry are not intimidated, so tend to kill them a little easier.

I'll leave it to the imagination to figure out why Roman men might be intimidated, but horses aren't...

[lobf]

...because they consume drugs before battle...

Really?

[Moros]

The Gaesatae are indeed powerful. IMHO (as I've stated before), giving them two hitpoints because they consume drugs before battle is to misunderstand just how powerful additional hitpoints make a unit. Polybius describes the Gaesatae at Telemann as having been dealt with by the Velites--imagine that happening in EB! I'm sure if it was possible to reduce the power of additional hitpoints it would have been done, but for now the Gaesatae are ahistorically resistant to missiles. The best way to counter this hardcoded shortcoming is to reduce their armor by a few points. You will then be able to deal with them more easily through the use of Velites and other missile-armed troops.

The Gaesatae Polybius describes are mostly regular gaesatae, warriors from the same tribe. The gaesatae depicted in the EB gaesatae are the elites of the tribe. The other warriors from the gaesatae, who formed the biggest part, could be represented by the celtic naked spearmen. And if the velited outnumber the gaesatae decently they are dead meat. And the 2HP are not overpowering as these guys pulled javelins out their bodies and threw them back. I'd say that warrants a 2HP.
But like I said the EB gaesatae are the crème de la crème from the gaesatae tribe.

[Senshi]

I have no probs with them to, hell, I regularly rout THEM as Romani :D

Some Triarii in the front blocking/slowing their main attacks while some principes/Samniti move to the flanks and charge there after their 2 volleys.

Finally, a heavy cavalry or my mounted general go around and make a full charge in the rear.
Voila, gesatae took heavy losses and go routing/fighting to death soon. Sometimes it takesd multiple cav charges, but that's it...

Of course, if you manage to pick off the enemy general first you can start doing the banana dance right away as this is always a HUGE morale impact.

Usually, when I kill the general the same moment some of the poor troops start routing, mostly the levies of course.

Gaesatae kick ass, but they are only few and once dealt with you are done ;)

[Frostwulf]

The Gaesatae Polybius describes are mostly regular gaesatae, warriors from the same tribe. The gaesatae depicted in the EB gaesatae are the elites of the tribe. The other warriors from the gaesatae, who formed the biggest part, could be represented by the celtic naked spearmen. And if the velited outnumber the gaesatae decently they are dead meat. And the 2HP are not overpowering as these guys pulled javelins out their bodies and threw them back. I'd say that warrants a 2HP.
But like I said the EB gaesatae are the crème de la crème from the gaesatae tribe.

Is this EB information or is there a source where I can verify this? If "these guys pulled javelins out their bodies" is from what happened in Greece, there is no mention of the gaesatae, just other tribes. As far as the gaesate represented in EB being the elite, where can I read on this?

[Moros]

The gasatae unit EB has represent the elite warriors of the gaesatae tribe. Were exact words from the unit conceptor.
The exact text about the javelins is indeed what happened from greece, and though the Gaesatae may or may not be mentioned in the text. The warriors depicted in the text at least fought in a similar fashion. If I had more time I might take a look at the text, but frankly I don't have that time now. Not that I'm in the mood to start this discussion either.

Also Frostwulf long time since I your last post (at least one I saw), though I'm not surprised you had to post in this thread.

[HFox]

Drugs = pcp....I think I remember from reading of earlier discussion along these lines....the drug the gestetae used was similar to this modern drug, I think nick named 'cop killer' in the US.....in EB...think of it as centurion killer

[Moros]

Drugs = pcp....I think I remember from reading of earlier discussion along these lines....the drug the gestetae used was similar to this modern drug, I think nick named 'cop killer' in the US.....in EB...think of it as centurion killer

Yeah it indeed appeared to be something similar. Then again the celts weren't the only ones in history which used such things. Certain zulu tribes als used such a drug IIRC.