The Magnaura

**Privateerkev** · 08-21-2008, 13:55

I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.

**Andres** · 08-21-2008, 14:17

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.

I apologised for my outburst.

Strange enough, I was angry, no I still am angry, because I am loyal to the Royal family.

You see, Grandmaster, I wasn't angry because I won't be Megas, I was angry because you will become Megas.

I would have been evenly outraged if the candidate for Megas was somebody else.

The mistake of the Emperor is not that he doesn't vote for me, the mistake consists of voting and thus making you the next Megas.

You say that you are not the nemesis of our Caesar, but we all know better, Grandmaster.

You let your vassals insult the Caesar without having them punished or facing real consquences, in the meanwhile hiding yourself behind an aura of being chivalrous and on higher moral grounds than the rest of us.

And don't you start again with your "complain to the Basileus" mantra.

It are your vassals and you are responsible for them.

Let there be no doubt about my loyalties. But a true loyal servant dares to disagree with his lord. If the Basileus makes a mistake, than I will say so. What good is a servant who always bows always says "yes" and never questions the decisions of his lord, how foolish they may be.

Don't lecture me about loyalty, Grandmaster.

**Warmaster Horus** · 08-21-2008, 14:30

Savvas, please end this.
You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?

In any case, I fear no amount of debates or arguments will satisfy you. The Emperor has decided to vote against you, and there is nothing you can do about it. If you think calling out against the Basileus will help, then you are wrong. You look more and more like a fool, whose only interest is power.

**Privateerkev** · 08-21-2008, 14:37

I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 08-21-2008, 14:50

Efstathios smiles..

Indeed.. Last time I checked I was not Grandmasters vassal.
And I do not insult the Caesar. Oh no. I just speak the truth and the truth is that.. Vissarionas is right about everything he have said against Caesar.
Mark my words but once he gets the throne.. well.. everything good his father have done shall be destroyed!

**Andres** · 08-21-2008, 15:01

Originally Posted by WH

You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?

Ah, but Makedonios isn't disagreeing with Vissa... If he would really disagree with Vissa, he would make him face real consequences.

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.

Are we going to discuss grammar now? Haven't you got anything better to do, dear Megas? Like building armies for the Order?

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**Privateerkev** · 08-21-2008, 15:12

Of course I disagree with Vissa and I have stated so publicly. Your more than welcome to dig through the transcripts to find it. As for punishment, he has been punished. It was private but he knows very well my feelings on the matter.

As for grammar, you deny it's importance? Good thing your not Megas. I can see you now, confusing the letters people give you.

As for armies, the Order isn't getting any more for the time being. They'll need theirs filled to legal capacity of course. But if I'm building any armies it's actually for other people. There are at least 4 legal armies popping up overnight. It will be difficult to recruit for all of them at once. Since your such a good vassal, I'm sure you won't mind if your lord and the Caesar's House get theirs first.

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**OverKnight** · 08-21-2008, 17:25

Aleksios speaks quietly.

Aleksander ek Kallipoleos is here by my invitation as part of an ongoing investigation. However I would ask him to remain silent for the moment, as my inquiry into certain matters is not complete. It is one thing to believe something, yet another to prove it.

I am awaiting the arrival of Senator Apionnas Vringas with more information before I can present my findings.

The Basileus looks a bit concerned.

I had expected him to arrive in time for the Session, he is overdue.